On 8 Nov, 11:50, MIG wrote:

Yes; whenever this topic comes up, I comment that the problems are
with the approaches and not the capacity at termini, therefore not
addressed by freeing up more platforms at Waterloo.

The South Eastern side of Victoria is very underused, and Waterloo,
with its long turnaround times compared with somewhere like Charing
Cross, isn't exactly stretched.

The problems are Borough Market, the two two-track routes between
Bromley and Victoria and the two-track route through Queenstown Road
on the "Windsor" side.

But that doesn't explain why they're not planning to send some
suburban Charing Cross trains to Waterloo via Lewisham and Peckham
Rye. That would help to free up the Borough Market tracks without
adding to congestion between Bromley and Victoria.

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On 8 Nov, 11:50, MIG wrote:

Yes; whenever this topic comes up, I comment that the problems are
with the approaches and not the capacity at termini, therefore not
addressed by freeing up more platforms at Waterloo.

The South Eastern side of Victoria is very underused, and Waterloo,
with its long turnaround times compared with somewhere like Charing
Cross, isn't exactly stretched.

The problems are Borough Market, the two two-track routes between
Bromley and Victoria and the two-track route through Queenstown Road
on the "Windsor" side.

But that doesn't explain why they're not planning to send some
suburban Charing Cross trains to Waterloo via Lewisham and Peckham
Rye. That would help to free up the Borough Market tracks without
adding to congestion between Bromley and Victoria.


They probably see no point in doing something temporarily, which can't
continue once the Nine Elms flyover is demolished to rework the station
approaches properly. From the NR documents it has basically already been
decided that the platforms will be used by SWT during the coming Waterloo
rebuild. The WIT report on the DfT site suggests that there is only capacity
for 6-8 trains per hour from the Nine Elms flyover, as it is only single
track.

Paul

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(Paul Scott) wrote:

The WIT report on the DfT site suggests that there is only capacity
for 6-8 trains per hour from the Nine Elms flyover, as it is only
single track.

The flyover is double track. The stretch from there through Vauxhall to
Waterloo is the single track bit.

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Colin Rosenstiel

wrote

But that doesn't explain why they're not planning to send some
suburban Charing Cross trains to Waterloo via Lewisham and Peckham
Rye. That would help to free up the Borough Market tracks without
adding to congestion between Bromley and Victoria.

It would be so slow that passengers wouldn't use them. The Dartford -
Blackfriars/Holborn trains never loaded well, and were eventually withdrawn,
while the Dartfod - Bexleyheath - Victoria service, a comparatively recent
innovation, are also lightly loaded.

Peter

On 8 Nov, 15:30, "Peter Masson" wrote:
wrote

But that doesn't explain why they're not planning to send some
suburban Charing Cross trains to Waterloo via Lewisham and Peckham
Rye. That would help to free up the Borough Market tracks without
adding to congestion between Bromley and Victoria.

It would be so slow that passengers wouldn't use them. The Dartford -
Blackfriars/Holborn trains never loaded well, and were eventually withdrawn,
while the Dartford - Bexleyheath - Victoria service, a comparatively recent
innovation, are also lightly loaded.

Peter


I would contest that at peak times the Dartford to Victoria service is
loaded pretty heavily, at least it is on leaving Victoria. It also
seems to have a reasonable patronage by day, but then again perhaps my
subjective judgement is a bit out on that one.

On 8 Nov, 15:30, "Peter Masson" wrote:
wrote

But that doesn't explain why they're not planning to send some
suburban Charing Cross trains to Waterloo via Lewisham and Peckham
Rye. That would help to free up the Borough Market tracks without
adding to congestion between Bromley and Victoria.

It would be so slow that passengers wouldn't use them. The Dartford -
Blackfriars/Holborn trains never loaded well, and were eventually withdrawn,
while the Dartford - Bexleyheath - Victoria service, a comparatively recent
innovation, are also lightly loaded.

Peter


I would contest that at peak times the Dartford to Victoria service is
loaded pretty heavily, at least it is on leaving Victoria. It also
seems to have a reasonable patronage by day, but then again perhaps my
subjective judgement is a bit wonky.

Mizter T wrote:

I would contest that at peak times the Dartford to Victoria service is
loaded pretty heavily, at least it is on leaving Victoria. It also
seems to have a reasonable patronage by day, but then again perhaps my
subjective judgement is a bit wonky.

My limited experience would bear that out. When I boarded the train it
about 10 min before departure I thought it was fairly empty. By the time
it left, people were standing on each others shoulders.
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