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Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened?
I'm having an unusually long period of Not Being In London and won't be able to visit until Wednesday. I wonder if anyone has any positive (or otherwise!) Things to say about what we have to see for two years of closure? -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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Ian Jelf wrote:
Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I'm having an unusually long period of Not Being In London and won't be able to visit until Wednesday. I wonder if anyone has any positive (or otherwise!) Things to say about what we have to see for two years of closure? Most of the people who have seen it have been disappointed. |
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On Nov 23, 2:48 pm, Ian Jelf wrote:
Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I went into the shop. Not impressed , lots of tourist tat but no books at all, not even about the tube , never mind general railway books like they used to have. Theres definately been a dumbing down. B2003 |
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Boltar wrote:
On Nov 23, 2:48 pm, Ian Jelf wrote: Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I went into the shop. Not impressed , lots of tourist tat but no books at all, not even about the tube , never mind general railway books like they used to have. Theres definately been a dumbing down. B2003 Did you go upstairs in the new shop? The enthusiast type stuff, including at least four rows of back to back shelving full of books is up there. |
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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message ... Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I'm having an unusually long period of Not Being In London and won't be able to visit until Wednesday. I wonder if anyone has any positive (or otherwise!) Things to say about what we have to see for two years of closure? -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK The Times had a couple of fairly positive pages on the new set up during the week, Tuesday or Wednesday? May be online... Paul |
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On 23 Nov, 14:48, Ian Jelf wrote:
Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I'm having an unusually long period of Not Being In London and won't be able to visit until Wednesday. I wonder if anyone has any positive (or otherwise!) Things to say about what we have to see for two years of closure? As detailed he http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/aboutus/348.aspx I tried to post on the exact same topic this morning, but courtesy of my own dozy ineptness I managed to consigned the post into the ether, rather than send it on its way via the ethernet. I am looking forward to a visit - I hadn't been to the old museum for a some time but it was always worthwhile - though I was pondering leaving it for a little while until the initial frenzy died down somewhat (perhaps some time in the new year). It's also worth noting the late opening of the museum on fridays until 9pm. Entry is £8, "Seniors" (presumably 65s and over) are £6.50, students are £5.00, and following in the recent trend under-16s are free - a move which I think is great, but will no doubt be met with grumbles by some (though depending on how things work out it might be sensible for there to be a much reduced admission charge of say £1 for under 16s). I'd presume that 16-18 year old sixth form students/pupils fall into the category of the £5 student admission charge, though this isn't clear. I presume that possession of a 16+ Oyster photocard (or the older version, the 16-17 Oyster photocard) would do, as would an NUS card as issued by some sixth form colleges (though not AFAIAA by schools with sixth forms). Some may approvingly note that the somewhat cumbersome "London's Transport Museum" name designation has been dropped in favour of the original and "London Transport Museum". |
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, Mizter T writes It's also worth noting the late opening of the museum on fridays until 9pm. But apparently not the shop (Fridays until 6.00pm), which I find distinctly odd. This is not only a major part of a museum visit for many but also seems to seriously limit income when the museum is costing money to be open. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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In message , John Rowland
writes Ian Jelf wrote: Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I'm having an unusually long period of Not Being In London and won't be able to visit until Wednesday. I wonder if anyone has any positive (or otherwise!) Things to say about what we have to see for two years of closure? Most of the people who have seen it have been disappointed. Have these been people who've been in since it opened, or people who were working (or similar) in there before an actual opening? I have to confess it's not what I wanted to hear but the simplification of Museums is becoming a depressingly regular occurrence these days. I do hope it's not true at the LT Museum. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote:
Entry is £8, "Seniors" (presumably 65s and over) are £6.50, students are £5.00, and following in the recent trend under-16s are free - a move which I think is great, but will no doubt be met with grumbles by some (though depending on how things work out it might be sensible for there to be a much reduced admission charge of say £1 for under 16s). But do they take Oyster? tom -- The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking. -- Albert Einstein |
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, Boltar writes On Nov 23, 2:48 pm, Ian Jelf wrote: Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I went into the shop. Not impressed , lots of tourist tat but no books at all, not even about the tube , never mind general railway books like they used to have. The shop's been open for ages and not only do I think it very good, it has lots and lots of books, both on LT and on railways and other subjects (eg design, architecture, tourist books). They are all upstairs, though; did you not go up there, perhaps? What I *have* noticed is an improvement in the attitude or at the least the friendliness of staff there. As I've commented here before, often at the old shops they sometimes made me feel as though I was interrupting their private lives whenever I went in to buy anything. On my visits to the new shop I've not had this happen once. Theres definately been a dumbing down. If I have a complaint, it's the new cafe! We went in there the first week it opened. Although I'm quite used to the area having inflated prices, I almost choked at the GBP2.50 bill for a cup of coffee. Imagine my delight when going to pay for two cups I was faced with a bill of GBP5.63, the 63p being for service! Even for Covent Garden that is taking the ****! :-) -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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On 23 Nov, 18:21, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote: Entry is £8, "Seniors" (presumably 65s and over) are £6.50, students are £5.00, and following in the recent trend under-16s are free - a move which I think is great, but will no doubt be met with grumbles by some (though depending on how things work out it might be sensible for there to be a much reduced admission charge of say £1 for under 16s). But do they take Oyster? tom Aha - indeed, what was I thinking, failing to even consider such a crucial question! Would there be capping for multiple visits on one day? What about a zone system so one could just visit the galleries you wanted to visit? Is this where zones A-D are being redeployed to in the new year?! Would one get an unresolved journey if one left still feeling unenlightened, or would that only occur if one exited the museum via the loo windows and hence failed to touch-out? And when using Oyster PAYG would one not be allowed to view any of the displays that contained information about non-LU railways aka National Rail, unless one bought at the least a weekly season ticket to the museum? |
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At 18:21:15 on Fri, 23 Nov 2007 Tom Anderson opined:-
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote: Entry is £8, "Seniors" (presumably 65s and over) are £6.50, students are £5.00, and following in the recent trend under-16s are free - a move which I think is great, but will no doubt be met with grumbles by some (though depending on how things work out it might be sensible for there to be a much reduced admission charge of say £1 for under 16s). But do they take Oyster? I hope so, because then they would also take my Freedom Pass - wouldn't they? -- Thoss |
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:48:16 +0000, Ian Jelf
wrote: Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I'm having an unusually long period of Not Being In London and won't be able to visit until Wednesday. I wonder if anyone has any positive (or otherwise!) Things to say about what we have to see for two years of closure? Not yet. I haven't even managed to get to the shop this week. I've not had any feedback one way or the other as to how good or bad the museum is. I am tasked with organizing a visit for members of another usenet group who wish to visit it. That won't be until the New Year. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 23 Nov, 18:21, Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote: Entry is £8, "Seniors" (presumably 65s and over) are £6.50, students are £5.00, and following in the recent trend under-16s are free - a move which I think is great, but will no doubt be met with grumbles by some (though depending on how things work out it might be sensible for there to be a much reduced admission charge of say £1 for under 16s). But do they take Oyster? tom Aha - indeed, what was I thinking, failing to even consider such a crucial question! Would there be capping for multiple visits on one day? What about a zone system so one could just visit the galleries you wanted to visit? Is this where zones A-D are being redeployed to in the new year?! Would one get an unresolved journey if one left still feeling unenlightened, or would that only occur if one exited the museum via the loo windows and hence failed to touch-out? And when using Oyster PAYG would one not be allowed to view any of the displays that contained information about non-LU railways aka National Rail, unless one bought at the least a weekly season ticket to the museum? And I suppose the question needs to be asked, what of those of us jammy enough to possess a staff pass? -- Cheers, Steve. Change jealous to sad to reply. |
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Tom Anderson writes:
But do they take Oyster? You may think you're joking, but at the New York Transit Museum -- possibly back when it was called the Transit Exhibit -- they used to take subway tokens for admission. -- Mark Brader, Toronto "Ever wonder why they call the screen a vacuum tube?" -- Kent Paul Dolan |
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:51:26 GMT, "Steve Dulieu"
wrote: And I suppose the question needs to be asked, what of those of us jammy enough to possess a staff pass? You get in for nothing - just as before. I don't think any other reductions are possible for people accompanying a member of staff (unless they hold a dependent pass). -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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John Rowland wrote:
Ian Jelf wrote: Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I'm having an unusually long period of Not Being In London and won't be able to visit until Wednesday. I wonder if anyone has any positive (or otherwise!) Things to say about what we have to see for two years of closure? Most of the people who have seen it have been disappointed. How do you know? -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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Yes the old shop staff were rather more interested listening to their
Abba, Kylie Minogue and Banaramana CDs. |
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Is it true there are now only 4 buses left inside? More room for taxis
and sedan chairs perhaps rather than an RT-family type which was familiar for 50-odd years? (But is no doubt deemed to look the "same" as an RM.) Ominously the Evening Standard praised the LTM as having lost its "anorak" atmosphere so I for one fear the worst! I hope it's not all hands-on/activity kid's stuff, "world cities" and "inclusion" etc.... |
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Boltar wrote:
On Nov 23, 2:48 pm, Ian Jelf wrote: Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I went into the shop. Not impressed , lots of tourist tat but no books at all, not even about the tube , never mind general railway books like they used to have. Theres definately been a dumbing down. Did you find the upstairs bit? As an aside, Motor Books has recently moved, which confused me until I saw the large sign saying it was now one street away. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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Mark Brader wrote:
Tom Anderson writes: But do they take Oyster? You may think you're joking, but at the New York Transit Museum -- possibly back when it was called the Transit Exhibit -- they used to take subway tokens for admission. The DB museum in Nuremberg took InterRail when I went in 2003, as do/did a few other railway museums. Being born in September, it used to annoy me when I had to pay full price for various museums and things in my last year of compulsory education, while friends from the same class got in cheap. It also used to seem a bit odd that sixth-formers generally paid full price for things, but university students didn't (my school tried to con people into paying for a student ID card, which a close approximation to absolutely nowhere accepted because it wasn't NUS). -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:22:09 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:00:05 -0000, (Mark Brader) wrote: Tom Anderson writes: But do they take Oyster? You may think you're joking, but at the New York Transit Museum -- possibly back when it was called the Transit Exhibit -- they used to take subway tokens for admission. Indeed. I have a rather wonderful tie pin with a NYC token on it purchased from the Transit Museum. Is it still in Brooklyn or has it moved? It's still in Brooklyn; it also opens silly hours! (And that reminds me, I haven't seen David of Broadway around for a while...) |
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On Nov 23, 8:14�pm, wrote:
Is it true there are now only 4 buses left inside? More room for taxis and sedan chairs perhaps rather than an RT-family type which was familiar for 50-odd years? (But is no doubt deemed to look the "same" as an RM.) Ominously the Evening Standard praised the LTM as having lost its "anorak" atmosphere so I for one fear the worst! I hope it's not all hands-on/activity kid's stuff, "world cities" and "inclusion" etc.... You can't be serious - no RT-type in the new museum??? The bus that was synonymous with L.T. for almost as long as the much-mourned Routemaster. A museum that doesn't have room for that icon is surely not worthy of the name "London Transport Museum". Better go back to the old name...... Marc. |
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Richard J. wrote:
John Rowland wrote: Ian Jelf wrote: Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I'm having an unusually long period of Not Being In London and won't be able to visit until Wednesday. I wonder if anyone has any positive (or otherwise!) Things to say about what we have to see for two years of closure? Most of the people who have seen it have been disappointed. How do you know? You got me. I should have said "All the people I know who have been in it were disappointed." |
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In message , Paul Corfield
writes Not yet. I haven't even managed to get to the shop this week. I've not had any feedback one way or the other as to how good or bad the museum is. I'm more disappointed that I was lazy enough to fail to get the motorised model of the Croydon tram when it came out - all sold out now :( I am tasked with organizing a visit for members of another usenet group who wish to visit it. That won't be until the New Year. I wonder who that is then? ;) -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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More to the point, has a London Overground Handbook been produced yet?
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On 23 Nov, 14:48, Ian Jelf wrote:
Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I'm having an unusually long period of Not Being In London and won't be able to visit until Wednesday. I wonder if anyone has any positive (or otherwise!) Things to say about what we have to see for two years of closure? I went this afternoon. A few observations: - There is an Oyster pad on the ticket counter. I didn't ask about using it. Freedom passes get you free entry which might be what it's for. - They send you up to the second floor first where the horse drawn buses are. There's a promising attempt here to put things in chronological order and actually tell the story. But there's a weird narrow passageway down the side of this bit covering early railway history which is really easy to miss. No idea what the thinking is, but the exhibit itself is good. - The mezzanine floor is basically unchanged, but the signs saying what things are have been replaced with touchscreen kiosks, which are great but why not have signs too? - The ground floor is the same confused mess of a handful of random buses and half arsed exhibits. There are far fewer vehicles and more gallery type things, but they still haven't figured out how to present this stuff well. - They have one side of one section of the 2009 stock mockup, which is a bit pointless. - The centrepiece giant projection map is mindnumbingly dull. - There's an excellent animated tube map by year behind the 1938 stock. - The buses are a B type, a trolleybus, an RM, something 80s, an old Green Line, and the front four feet of a modern double decker. Can't be more specific (see why they need nice big signs with the names of things?) - There's a mockup Jubilee/Northern cab with BVE inside (or so said the error messages, as it was broken). So still a bit rubbish. Highlight for me was spending some time in the little reading library with the legendary Rails Through The Clay (complete with photos of the hoardings for Enfield West and Nightingale Lane tube stations). U |
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, Mark Brader wrote:
Tom Anderson writes: But do they take Oyster? You may think you're joking, I wasn't! It would be easy enough to do, i'd have thought, and a good wheeze. tom -- Beware! Inside pie, there are chickens, gamecubes, Moltres, Raichu, and bacteria(in a good way!) -- Wikipedia |
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Colin Rosenstiel writes Nightingale Lane tube station? Huh? The name, prior to opening, of what was eventually called Clapham South. -- Paul Terry |
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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
... In message , Mizter T writes It's also worth noting the late opening of the museum on fridays until 9pm. But apparently not the shop (Fridays until 6.00pm), which I find distinctly odd. This is not only a major part of a museum visit for many but also seems to seriously limit income when the museum is costing money to be open. Where are you looking at the opening time of the shop, Ian? http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/visiting/106.aspx says until 21:00 on Fridays. -- David Biddulph |
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In message , David Biddulph
writes "Ian Jelf" wrote in message ... In message , Mizter T writes It's also worth noting the late opening of the museum on fridays until 9pm. But apparently not the shop (Fridays until 6.00pm), which I find distinctly odd. This is not only a major part of a museum visit for many but also seems to seriously limit income when the museum is costing money to be open. Where are you looking at the opening time of the shop, Ian? http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/visiting/106.aspx says until 21:00 on Fridays. People were queuing outside the museum, along the piazza, yesterday. My househouse and I judged the queue to be long enough to put our visit to the museum off until another (school) day. The shop also looked rather busy. -- Paul G Typing from Barking |
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:08:58 +0000, Paul G
wrote: In message , David Biddulph writes "Ian Jelf" wrote in message ... In message , Mizter T writes It's also worth noting the late opening of the museum on fridays until 9pm. But apparently not the shop (Fridays until 6.00pm), which I find distinctly odd. This is not only a major part of a museum visit for many but also seems to seriously limit income when the museum is costing money to be open. Where are you looking at the opening time of the shop, Ian? http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/visiting/106.aspx says until 21:00 on Fridays. People were queuing outside the museum, along the piazza, yesterday. My househouse and I judged the queue to be long enough to put our visit to the museum off until another (school) day. The shop also looked rather busy. It doesn't surprise me at all that it was that busy. It used to be terribly busy at weekends as did the shop. The novelty value of it reopening will take a while to wear off. I imagine it will be busy most of the time until January and very busy during the holiday period. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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In message , David Biddulph
writes "Ian Jelf" wrote in message ... In message , Mizter T writes It's also worth noting the late opening of the museum on fridays until 9pm. But apparently not the shop (Fridays until 6.00pm), which I find distinctly odd. This is not only a major part of a museum visit for many but also seems to seriously limit income when the museum is costing money to be open. Where are you looking at the opening time of the shop, Ian? http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/visiting/106.aspx says until 21:00 on Fridays. That was where I was looking and I'm absolutely certain that that has been altered since I looked the other day. Strange. Maybe they were initially just posting the existing times for the shop, although above it they had inserted the new opening times for the Museum. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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[Crossposted to uk.railway]
"Mizter T" wrote Entry is £8, "Seniors" (presumably 65s and over) are £6.50, students are £5.00, and following in the recent trend under-16s are free Or should "Seniors" be 60s and over, in line with the Senior Railcard? Since achieving that age, I have discussed this point at a number of transport-related (e.g. preserved railway) locations. Some sensibly say that they leave it to the individual visitor's discretion. The most inventive solution was at the Listowel Monorailway, where they charged me an amount midway between the full and reduced rates! |
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At 12:30:19 on Sun, 25 Nov 2007 John Salmon opined:-
[Crossposted to uk.railway] "Mizter T" wrote Entry is £8, "Seniors" (presumably 65s and over) are £6.50, students are £5.00, and following in the recent trend under-16s are free Or should "Seniors" be 60s and over, in line with the Senior Railcard? Since achieving that age, I have discussed this point at a number of transport-related (e.g. preserved railway) locations. Some sensibly say that they leave it to the individual visitor's discretion. The most inventive solution was at the Listowel Monorailway, where they charged me an amount midway between the full and reduced rates! According to another message in this thread:- There is an Oyster pad on the ticket counter. I didn't ask about using it. Freedom passes get you free entry which might be what it's for. So, for a senior with a freedom pass, is it £6.50 or free? -- Thoss |
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On Nov 23, 5:11 pm, John Swallow wrote:
Boltar wrote: On Nov 23, 2:48 pm, Ian Jelf wrote: Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I went into the shop. Not impressed , lots of tourist tat but no books at all, not even about the tube , never mind general railway books like they used to have. Theres definately been a dumbing down. B2003 Did you go upstairs in the new shop? The enthusiast type stuff, including at least four rows of back to back shelving full of books is up there. Ah ,. must've missed that. Was a quick flying visit while I was on my way to elsewhere. I'll have to go back again. B2003 |
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:20:25 -0800 (PST), Boltar
wrote: On Nov 23, 5:11 pm, John Swallow wrote: Boltar wrote: On Nov 23, 2:48 pm, Ian Jelf wrote: Has anyone been to the London Transport Museum since it re-opened? I went into the shop. Not impressed , lots of tourist tat but no books at all, not even about the tube , never mind general railway books like they used to have. Theres definately been a dumbing down. B2003 Did you go upstairs in the new shop? The enthusiast type stuff, including at least four rows of back to back shelving full of books is up there. Ah ,. must've missed that. Was a quick flying visit while I was on my way to elsewhere. I'll have to go back again. The main staircase is to the right as you enter the museum. If you are on the ground floor of the shop there is an extra staircase at the very back on the right - by the EFE Bus models. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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