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New DLR station opened today
On 16 Dec, 09:07, Mike Bristow wrote:
Mizter T wrote: How expensive would electrifying the GOBLIN be? I guess the follow on to that question is why does it cost as much as that? TfL have suggested to the line's user group[1] that it would cost up to 40 million quid. They are not belived. [1] http://www.barking-gospeloak.org.uk/ Thanks. If the figures are from TfL then I would have (more) faith in them than from another source (such as the DfT). TfL were keen on having the GOBLIN electrified, and probably still are, it's just that they don't have that kind of cash just sitting about - it would need to come from the DfT (a large chunk of it at least). I wouldn't consider TfL are the ones who put the brakes on with regards to this, it would have been the DfT. Simply because the GOBLIN is getting new diesel passenger trains, this doesn't mean that TfL have given up on the idea. Bear in mind that those new trains will be owned by a ROSCO, not TfL, so they're less of a commitment. I suspect that TfL will be keen to play a slow game on this one, demonstrating the repressed passenger demand on the NLL that is blocked from expanding because of the heavy freight traffic, and also demonstrating their competence with regards to running London Overground. I think they'll gradually be building their case on this issue, in the hope of eventually getting government funding to electrify the GOBLIN. |
New DLR station opened today
On 15 Dec, 23:09, "Clive D. W. Feather" cl...@on-the-
train.demon.co.uk wrote: In article , Mizter T writes [*] Does anyone know what this junction west of Dalston, where the ELLX will join the NLL, will be called - presumably the same as what was it called back when it was open? It was called Dalston Western Junction. The other junction on the NLL was Dalston Eastern Junction. Dalston Junction signal box was at the south end of the station, where the two curves met. In diagram form (east at the top): | * Dalston Eastern Jn |\ | \ Dalston Junction (# = station) | \--###\ | /--###*------ to Haggerston | //--###*------ |// ** Dalston Western Jn || From west to east, the six tracks through the station we platform 1: Down No. 2 (Electric) platform 2: Up No. 2 (Electric) platform 3: Down No. 1 (Steam) platform 4: Up No. 1 (Steam) platform 5: Down Poplar platform 6: Up Poplar Thanks Clive, much appreciated. In fact you've jogged my memory - I've a feeling that there is still an NSE era sign on the signalbox west of Dalston Kingsland that declares "Dalston Western Junction" - I'll keep my eyes open next time I pass through! |
New DLR station opened today
Mizter T wrote:
Going back to something you said - I had never considered the possibility of a line north from Dalston Jn towards Stoke Newington, meeting the Great Eastern line there. Of course now it ain't possible, given all the stuff in the way, but I wonder if it was ever considered. Probably not, given that the Stoke Newington line leads down to Liverpool Street which was bang slap next door to the now demolished Broad Street, terminus of the line from Dalston Jn. Nonetheless it would have been a shorter and hence quicker route into the City, avoiding the detour via Hackney and Bethnal Green that the Great Eastern route takes. The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford. It never got off page one of the study which produced it (1960s or so). |
New DLR station opened today
The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston
Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford. It never got off page one of the study which produced it (1960s or so). How was it supposed to get to Broad Street without going through the Bank of England's vaults, or the Escalator/lift shafts for the central line? |
New DLR station opened today
On 16 Dec, 16:18, Mizter T wrote:
In fact you've jogged my memory - I've a feeling that there is still an NSE era sign on the signalbox west of Dalston Kingsland that declares "Dalston Western Junction" - I'll keep my eyes open next time I pass through! I saw it today, and it just says 'Western Junction', i.e. no 'Dalston'. I think the original sign was the same, but I'm not absolutely certain. I believe the three actual junctions were named 'Dalston Western Junction', 'Dalston Eastern Junction' and 'Dalston Junction'. |
New DLR station opened today
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Tom Anderson) wrote: You're right about a cross-country link, but it's not Oxford to Cambridge, it's from Ipswich to Nuneaton. The tracks are there, but the route isn't suitable for freight trains. If it was, traffic between Felixstowe and the West Midlands (which is most of the traffic through Felixstowe) could go that way rather than via London. Er, it's not W10 gauge and can't therefore take 9'6" containers on standard wagons but it carries a good deal of freight, I can assure you! Apologies! I may be slightly guilty of "if it ain't high cube, it ain't freight (and well wagons are cheating)" thinking. tom -- Jim-Jammity Jesus Krispy Kreme Christ on a ****-rocket! |
New DLR station opened today
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, John Rowland wrote:
Mizter T wrote: Going back to something you said - I had never considered the possibility of a line north from Dalston Jn towards Stoke Newington, meeting the Great Eastern line there. The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford. It never got off page one of the study which produced it (1960s or so). Interesting. Presumably, the portal was to have been south of Dalston? Are you sure about Dalston - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford? Do you mean Downs rather than Wick? Or perhaps by Clapton you're referring to Lea Bridge station? The former would involve a curve at Hackney Downs that doesn't exist now and seems like it would be a bit awkward; the latter would be a rather circuitous route for Chingfordites. tom -- Jim-Jammity Jesus Krispy Kreme Christ on a ****-rocket! |
New DLR station opened today
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Peter Masson wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote OK, excuse me for being a bit dense, I haven't entirely got my head around these new post-ELLX arrangements on the NLL yet. December Modern Railways suggests: Basically, the ELL won't actually join the NLL at Dalston, it'll just turn and run alongside it to Highbury & Islington. They'll be completely segregated (although there may be connections, they won't be in use in normal service, if i've got this right). I draw myself a diagram to work this out, so i thought i'd share it, only then i thought i'd draw it more nicely first. I hope you all appreciate this: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/2115244713/ It omits lots of things. Dalston to Highbury & Islington ELLX will have the southern pair and NLL the northern pair (doubled from Canonbury) with 4 platforms at each of Canonbury and H&I. ELLX will terminate in the platforms at H&I, though Dalston Junction will have 4 platforms, with the outer tracks for through trains to/from H&I and the inner pair for trains that terminate at Dalston Junction. From H&I to Camden Road the NLL will have 4 tracks, the southern pair westbound and the northern pair eastbound (though two tracks will have reversible signalling, presumably to allow service to continue if one pair is blocked for maintenance). Canonbury is shown as having three platforms (no platform face on the northernmost line, By 'Canonbury', do you mean 'Caledonian Road & Barnsbury'? tom -- Jim-Jammity Jesus Krispy Kreme Christ on a ****-rocket! |
New DLR station opened today
On 15 Dec, 20:56, Mizter T wrote:
As the photographer speculates, perhaps both the eastern and western curves were safeguarded from development? Yes they are. A route to the eastern curve is included in the new design for Dalston Junction. What I can't figure out is how access to the Kingsland shopping centre car park and loading bays would work. It doesn't appear to have been designed in in obvious way. U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
New DLR station opened today
On 16 Dec, 20:21, Tom Anderson wrote:
I draw myself a diagram to work this out, so i thought i'd share it, only then i thought i'd draw it more nicely first. I hope you all appreciate this: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/2115244713/ I'd think Camden Road would stick with having a side platform on the southernmost line, an island right in the middle, with two new tracks the north of that. Possibly a similar thing at all the other stations (except Dalston Junction). Am I right in thinking the use will alternate freight/passenger/ freight/passenger north-to-south, rather than f/p/p/f or p/f/f/p? U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
New DLR station opened today
"Tom Anderson" wrote From H&I to Camden Road the NLL will have 4 tracks, the southern pair westbound and the northern pair eastbound (though two tracks will have reversible signalling, presumably to allow service to continue if one pair is blocked for maintenance). Canonbury is shown as having three platforms (no platform face on the northernmost line, By 'Canonbury', do you mean 'Caledonian Road & Barnsbury'? Yes. Sorry, I always get the two mixed up. Peter |
New DLR station opened today
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Peter Masson wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote From H&I to Camden Road the NLL will have 4 tracks, the southern pair westbound and the northern pair eastbound (though two tracks will have reversible signalling, presumably to allow service to continue if one pair is blocked for maintenance). Canonbury is shown as having three platforms (no platform face on the northernmost line, By 'Canonbury', do you mean 'Caledonian Road & Barnsbury'? Yes. Sorry, I always get the two mixed up. I blame whoever it was who picked the name 'Caledonian Road & Barnsbury'. In fact, the NLL has (well, had) no fewer than four 'and' names - Silvertown & London City Airport, Highbury & Islington, Caledonian Road & Barnsbury, Finchley Road & Frognal. I suspect that someone in the company had a cousin who was a signwriter, and charged by the letter! tom -- Well, I'm making a list too. But I'm also preparing appropriate retribution. -- Graham |
New DLR station opened today
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote: December Modern Railways suggests: Basically, the ELL won't actually join the NLL at Dalston, it'll just turn and run alongside it to Highbury & Islington. They'll be completely segregated (although there may be connections, they won't be in use in normal service, if i've got this right). I draw myself a diagram to work this out, so i thought i'd share it, only then i thought i'd draw it more nicely first. I hope you all appreciate this: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/2115244713/ You show both ELLX tracks as stubs at H&I. Modern Railways shows one continuing into the NLL. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
New DLR station opened today
lonelytraveller wrote:
The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford. It never got off page one of the study which produced it (1960s or so). How was it supposed to get to Broad Street without going through the Bank of England's vaults This was mentioned near the bottom of page one. |
New DLR station opened today
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, John Rowland wrote: Mizter T wrote: Going back to something you said - I had never considered the possibility of a line north from Dalston Jn towards Stoke Newington, meeting the Great Eastern line there. The Forest Line proposal was to extend the W&C to Broad St - Dalston Junction - Dalston East Junction - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford. It never got off page one of the study which produced it (1960s or so). Interesting. Presumably, the portal was to have been south of Dalston? Are you sure about Dalston - Hackney Wick - Clapton - Chingford? Do you mean Downs rather than Wick? Yes. |
New DLR station opened today
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Tom Anderson) wrote: December Modern Railways suggests: Basically, the ELL won't actually join the NLL at Dalston, it'll just turn and run alongside it to Highbury & Islington. They'll be completely segregated (although there may be connections, they won't be in use in normal service, if i've got this right). I draw myself a diagram to work this out, so i thought i'd share it, only then i thought i'd draw it more nicely first. I hope you all appreciate this: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/2115244713/ You show both ELLX tracks as stubs at H&I. Modern Railways shows one continuing into the NLL. Yes, one of the many details i missed out (or mistakes i made, depending on how charitably you look at it). I did put a note on the picture, though! tom -- never mind your fingers, i've got blisters on my brain |
New DLR station opened today
In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes Eh, lad, I can remember when the Birmingham Cross-City service (well, the Southern bit at least) consisted of only three trains a day! Incredible now but absolutely true, as you say. The northern bit (theoretically linked with the Stourbridge line in the early seventies) wasn't significantly better, either....... -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
New DLR station opened today
DERWENT New DLR station opened today
Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:42:53 -0800 (PST), John B On 14 Dec, 12:34, wrote: Less welcome is the fact that passengers on the Stratford branch now have no trains beyond Canary Wharf after 10am in the morning. Thanks! The interchange isn't the world's most arduous. And still the only branch with no service to the city. Luckily, there are big blue trains with rainbows on the side, or small white trains with red doors if you prefer, that will do that job for you. I think it's fair to say that Stratford/City links are not a major problem... These trains don't stop at PUdding Mill Lane, Devons Road or Langdon Park... PRAR -- http://www.i.am/prar/ and http://prar.fotopic.net/ As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. --Dick Cavett Please reply to the newsgroup. That is why it exists. NB Anti-spam measures in force - If you must email me use the Reply to address and not |
New DLR station opened today
On 21 Dec, 09:49, PRAR wrote:
DERWENT New DLR station opened today Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:42:53 -0800 (PST), John B On 14 Dec, 12:34, wrote: Less welcome is the fact that passengers on the Stratford branch now have no trains beyond Canary Wharf after 10am in the morning. Thanks! The interchange isn't the world's most arduous. And still the only branch with no service to the city. Luckily, there are big blue trains with rainbows on the side, or small white trains with red doors if you prefer, that will do that job for you. I think it's fair to say that Stratford/City links are not a major problem... These trains don't stop at PUdding Mill Lane, Devons Road or Langdon Park... PRAR True. But the interchange at Poplar couldn't be easier - it's just across the platform, and what's more the Canary Wharf and City bound trains normally pull into the platforms at the same time so passengers don't even have to wait. |
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