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John Rowland wrote:
Langdon Park station. http://pressroom.dlr.co.uk/news/details.asp?id=152 When is the tube map going to stand still long enough for everyone to have an up to date copy? |
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On 10 Dec, 15:00, "John Rowland"
wrote: Langdon Park station http://pressroom.dlr.co.uk/news/details.asp?id=152 U Thant's blog suggests that it actually opened for business yesterday (sunday): http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...ngs-today.html |
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Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
When is the tube map going to stand still long enough for everyone to have an up to date copy? This last few months of 2007 is a busy one in the world of railways isn't? Train companies finishing, Train companies starting, stations closing, stations opening. Got to keep the map makers and train painters in business somehow! |
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On 10 Dec, 15:50, Mizter T wrote:
On 10 Dec, 15:00, "John Rowland" wrote: Langdon Park station http://pressroom.dlr.co.uk/news/details.asp?id=152 U Thant's blog suggests that it actually opened for business yesterday (sunday): http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...openings-today.... That's plausible. The King George V extension opened a day or two before it officially did. |
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On Dec 10, 6:26 pm, MIG wrote:
That's plausible. The King George V extension opened a day or two before it officially did. I was there. It was open. -- Abi |
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On 10 Dec, 18:26, MIG wrote:
On 10 Dec, 15:50, Mizter T wrote: On 10 Dec, 15:00, "John Rowland" wrote: Langdon Park station http://pressroom.dlr.co.uk/news/details.asp?id=152 U Thant's blog suggests that it actually opened for business yesterday (sunday): http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...openings-today.... That's plausible. The King George V extension opened a day or two before it officially did. When I said his blog "suggests" it was in operation yesterday that was really just a turn of phrase as opposed to me casting doubt on the veracity of what he wrote! Just thought it was worth recording for posterity when trains actually began stopping at the station. Do the "official opening dates" of stations exist merely to confuse people?! |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 10 Dec, 18:26, MIG wrote: On 10 Dec, 15:50, Mizter T wrote: On 10 Dec, 15:00, "John Rowland" wrote: Langdon Park station http://pressroom.dlr.co.uk/news/details.asp?id=152 U Thant's blog suggests that it actually opened for business yesterday (sunday): Just thought it was worth recording for posterity when trains actually began stopping at the station. Do the "official opening dates" of stations exist merely to confuse people?! Maybe it costs more to get Ken out of bed on a Sunday? Paul S |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Stuart wrote:
Got to keep the map makers and train painters in business somehow! I noticed a cunning trick yesterday: the strip maps on the Jubilee (probably other lines too, but i haven't checked) have been updated to show the Overground interchanges. However, there was a sticker over Canada Water. Already, i thought? Then i realised - the strip maps will have been printed not showing ELL interchange at Canada Water, and stickers added to show it. When the ELL closes, they just pull them off and have a nice neat strip map that shows the then-current situation. It's also possible that the underlying map shows Overground interchange at ELL, and the stickers will be replaced with new stickers that show no interchange for the duration of the works, which will then be removed when the line reopens. Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only matters for a couple of weeks now! Someone remind me - why is the ELL closing for three years? tom -- Come on thunder; come on thunder. |
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On 10 Dec, 19:11, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Stuart wrote: Got to keep the map makers and train painters in business somehow! I noticed a cunning trick yesterday: the strip maps on the Jubilee (probably other lines too, but i haven't checked) have been updated to show the Overground interchanges. However, there was a sticker over Canada Water. Already, i thought? Then i realised - the strip maps will have been printed not showing ELL interchange at Canada Water, and stickers added to show it. When the ELL closes, they just pull them off and have a nice neat strip map that shows the then-current situation. It's also possible that the underlying map shows Overground interchange at ELL, and the stickers will be replaced with new stickers that show no interchange for the duration of the works, which will then be removed when the line reopens. Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only matters for a couple of weeks now! Someone remind me - why is the ELL closing for three years? Tis two years - the plan is to have the ELLX open in December 2009 (i.e. when the railway timetables change). I have thought this too - sure, there are big works to be done (flyover at New Cross Gate, station and bridge at Shoreditch High St, ramp - already half-built - up from Whitechapel, etc etc), but on the face of it they don't need the existing ELL to close... However I think the plan might involves materials being transported by rail from the Silwood Triangle works site, and perhaps from restored link(s) with the main lines at either New Cross or New Cross Gate or both - of course the latter will have a permanent connection when through ELLX services start running, though perhaps the former is an easier place for works trains to access from the rest of the network. |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:37:43 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote: On 10 Dec, 18:26, MIG wrote: On 10 Dec, 15:50, Mizter T wrote: On 10 Dec, 15:00, "John Rowland" wrote: Langdon Park station http://pressroom.dlr.co.uk/news/details.asp?id=152 U Thant's blog suggests that it actually opened for business yesterday (sunday): http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...openings-today.... That's plausible. The King George V extension opened a day or two before it officially did. When I said his blog "suggests" it was in operation yesterday that was really just a turn of phrase as opposed to me casting doubt on the veracity of what he wrote! Just thought it was worth recording for posterity when trains actually began stopping at the station. Do the "official opening dates" of stations exist merely to confuse people?! To confuse Clive, anyway! |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mizter T wrote:
On 10 Dec, 19:11, Tom Anderson wrote: Someone remind me - why is the ELL closing for three years? Tis two years - the plan is to have the ELLX open in December 2009 (i.e. when the railway timetables change). Aha. This leaflet, in which, allegedly, "information is correct at time of going to print - November 2007": http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...re-leaflet.pdf says "The East London line will close on 22 December 2007 for major extension work and will reopen by summer 2010 as part of the London Overground network.". Summer 2010 is public works code for winter 2010, from which i calculated three years. But if it only takes two, that's much better. I have thought this too - sure, there are big works to be done (flyover at New Cross Gate, station and bridge at Shoreditch High St, ramp - already half-built - up from Whitechapel, etc etc), but on the face of it they don't need the existing ELL to close... Right. The work connected with the ramp from Whitechapel, perhaps, but Shoreditch High Street is nowhere near the current line, and the NXG flyover surely just involves closing the NXG branch! However I think the plan might involves materials being transported by rail from the Silwood Triangle works site, and perhaps from restored link(s) with the main lines at either New Cross or New Cross Gate or both - of course the latter will have a permanent connection when through ELLX services start running, though perhaps the former is an easier place for works trains to access from the rest of the network. This sounds plausible, but an appallingly bad excuse. I've also heard that there's to be large-scale changes to power and signals to change them to NR standards. Still hard to see how this'll take 2-3 years. On a related note, Liverpool Street is closed for a week over christmas "as a result of major engineering work on the approach lines to the station, in connection with the extension of TfLs East London line". I don't know if that's the ramp or a new track connection or preparatory works or what. tom -- The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the right. -- Lord Hailsham |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message .li... On a related note, Liverpool Street is closed for a week over christmas "as a result of major engineering work on the approach lines to the station, in connection with the extension of TfLs East London line". I don't know if that's the ramp or a new track connection or preparatory works or what. I believe its for removal of the existing girder work that used to support the lines into the Bishopsgate goods station, I think becusue they are not in the correct vertical alignment for the new ELLX bridge, which will be installed at a later date. Google Earth currently shows a massive amount of structure/material in the line of route, if you have access to it. Paul S |
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On 10 Dec, 18:26, MIG wrote:
That's plausible. The King George V extension opened a day or two before it officially did. As did Lewisham; one day before, I think. |
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Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mizter T wrote: On 10 Dec, 19:11, Tom Anderson wrote: Someone remind me - why is the ELL closing for three years? Tis two years - the plan is to have the ELLX open in December 2009 (i.e. when the railway timetables change). Aha. This leaflet, in which, allegedly, "information is correct at time of going to print - November 2007": http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...re-leaflet.pdf says "The East London line will close on 22 December 2007 for major extension work and will reopen by summer 2010 as part of the London Overground network.". Summer 2010 is public works code for winter 2010, from which i calculated three years. But if it only takes two, that's much better. Errm, I'm not sure where I picked up December 2009 from - as the LU "Track closures Six Month Look Ahead" PDF agrees with you in saying June 2010 (in fact it specifically says Wed 30 Jun 10 - not sure that can be right though): http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...k-closures.pdf So two and a half years. I'm not sure that the public works code will apply to this tightly managed TfL-run project, we shall see! I have thought this too - sure, there are big works to be done (flyover at New Cross Gate, station and bridge at Shoreditch High St, ramp - already half-built - up from Whitechapel, etc etc), but on the face of it they don't need the existing ELL to close... Right. The work connected with the ramp from Whitechapel, perhaps, but Shoreditch High Street is nowhere near the current line, and the NXG flyover surely just involves closing the NXG branch! ....and closing the National Rail/ Network Rail lines there as well, so they can swing it in to place. The work on the ramp to bring the line up from Whitechapel has been proceeding apace for a good while now. However I think the plan might involves materials being transported by rail from the Silwood Triangle works site, and perhaps from restored link(s) with the main lines at either New Cross or New Cross Gate or both - of course the latter will have a permanent connection when through ELLX services start running, though perhaps the former is an easier place for works trains to access from the rest of the network. This sounds plausible, but an appallingly bad excuse. I think I remember reading things about minimising the impact of construction traffic on the surrounding areas and roads. I don't know the details. I do however know that tracks have been laid at the Silwood Triangle works site on an alignment that will connect with the existing line - the connection isn't in place yet and I wouldn't expect it to go in until the ELL closes. I've also heard that there's to be large-scale changes to power and signals to change them to NR standards. Still hard to see how this'll take 2-3 years. I agree - if someone could explain it all that'd be great! On a related note, Liverpool Street is closed for a week over christmas "as a result of major engineering work on the approach lines to the station, in connection with the extension of TfLs East London line". I don't know if that's the ramp or a new track connection or preparatory works or what. Removal of Bridge GE19, which needs to go so it can be replaced by a new bridge to carry the ELLX over the Liverpool Street lines, which will itself be put in place in spring 2008 (I suspect that'll be a simpler operation than the removal of the old bridge). I think bridge GE19 isn't on the right alignment. See two of U Thant's helpful weblog entries: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...-route-at.html http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...idge-date.html I'm all for the ELLX, as I'm sure you know, but I'm also all for keeping the closure to as short a period as possible. The ELL might not be anything like as heavily used as other LU lines are, but it is still a crucial cross river connection for many. That said, it will become a far more critical bit of London's transport infrastructure when it becomes part of the ELLX, so I guess it's worth getting everything right first time round during this closure and making sure all the works are done to a very high standard. |
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On 10 Dec, 20:21, Tom Anderson wrote:
says "The East London line will close on 22 December 2007 for major extension work and will reopen by summer 2010 as part of the London Overground network.". Summer 2010 is public works code for winter 2010, from which i calculated three years. But if it only takes two, that's much better. TfL's latest documents list a forecast completion time (even with testing etc) of November 7th 2009. eg Page 81 here. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...tober_2007.pdf I've also heard that there's to be large-scale changes to power and signals to change them to NR standards. Still hard to see how this'll take 2-3 years. Yes, basically everything's going to be ripped out and they'll start again. They're also doing some major refurbishment/rebuilding of the stations, though I don't have details handy. The timetable above has London Underground not handing over the line to the builders until March, and the work will be complete and ready for testing by June the next year. 15 months seems pretty good to me. On a related note, Liverpool Street is closed for a week over christmas "as a result of major engineering work on the approach lines to the station, in connection with the extension of TfLs East London line". I don't know if that's the ramp or a new track connection or preparatory works or what. Demolishing the enormous brick viaduct over the Great Eastern Main Line on the east side of Brick Lane. It's in the way of the ELL's own bridge over the line. Apparently it weighs 12,000 tonnes: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...ntre/6798.aspx U -- http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/ A blog about transport projects in London |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
.li However I think the plan might involves materials being transported by rail from the Silwood Triangle works site, and perhaps from restored link(s) with the main lines at either New Cross or New Cross Gate or both - of course the latter will have a permanent connection when through ELLX services start running, though perhaps the former is an easier place for works trains to access from the rest of the network. This sounds plausible, but an appallingly bad excuse. I've also heard that there's to be large-scale changes to power and signals to change them to NR standards. Still hard to see how this'll take 2-3 years. Yes, I was wondering why it's going to take so long. The existing line was almost re-built not so long ago and it can't take all that long to install new power supplies and signalling. Connecting it up to the extension shouldn't take more than a few weeks. |
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Tim Roll-Pickering wrote John Rowland wrote: Langdon Park station. http://pressroom.dlr.co.uk/news/details.asp?id=152 When is the tube map going to stand still long enough for everyone to have an up to date copy? It's shown as open on the "Tube map" at the centre of the London Overground (December) timetable booklet which I expect all the London Transport geeks have got. But for those who rely on the tube map in their pocket diaries, not in the foreseeable future ;-) What was the longest 'no change' period in recent history ? Same question, but adding/removing the North London Line not to count, nor splitting off the H&C, only actual changes in service on LU, W&C, and DLR. -- Mike D |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only matters for a couple of weeks now! They are indeed different according to the TfL Colour Standard at http://tinyurl.com/32y8t2 ELL: Underground orange NCS S 0585-Y30R; RGB 236,158,0; Web FF 99 00 LO: Overground orange NCS S 0585-Y50R; RGB 232,106,16; Web FF 66 00. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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Richard J. wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only matters for a couple of weeks now! They are indeed different according to the TfL Colour Standard at http://tinyurl.com/32y8t2 ELL: Underground orange NCS S 0585-Y30R; RGB 236,158,0; Web FF 99 00 LO: Overground orange NCS S 0585-Y50R; RGB 232,106,16; Web FF 66 00. Is there a good reason for them to be different? Won't various signs and conduit friezes have to be replaced as a result of the colour change which could otherwise have been left alone? |
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Mizter T wrote:
That said, it will become a far more critical bit of London's transport infrastructure when it becomes part of the ELLX, so I guess it's worth getting everything right first time round during this closure and making sure all the works are done to a very high standard. But this isn't first time around! The ELL was closed for three years not long ago, when conversion to third rail and use of NR rolling stock etc was already inevitable. |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Richard J. wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only matters for a couple of weeks now! They are indeed different according to the TfL Colour Standard at http://tinyurl.com/32y8t2 ELL: Underground orange NCS S 0585-Y30R; RGB 236,158,0; Web FF 99 00 LO: Overground orange NCS S 0585-Y50R; RGB 232,106,16; Web FF 66 00. Which look like this: http://urchin.earth.li/~twic/Overgro...nd_Orange.html I think the overground shade is better - that bit harder to confuse with Circle yellow. 'Underground orange' sounds like something you'd find in Glasgow! tom -- .... to build a space elevator, that's got to be hundreds of thousands of pounds ... -- Mike Froggatt |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mizter T wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mizter T wrote: On 10 Dec, 19:11, Tom Anderson wrote: Someone remind me - why is the ELL closing for three years? Tis two years - the plan is to have the ELLX open in December 2009 (i.e. when the railway timetables change). Aha. This leaflet, in which, allegedly, "information is correct at time of going to print - November 2007": http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...re-leaflet.pdf says "The East London line will close on 22 December 2007 for major extension work and will reopen by summer 2010 as part of the London Overground network.". Summer 2010 is public works code for winter 2010, from which i calculated three years. But if it only takes two, that's much better. Errm, I'm not sure where I picked up December 2009 from - as the LU "Track closures Six Month Look Ahead" PDF agrees with you in saying June 2010 (in fact it specifically says Wed 30 Jun 10 - not sure that can be right though): http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...k-closures.pdf So two and a half years. I'm not sure that the public works code will apply to this tightly managed TfL-run project, we shall see! We should completely have a bet. On a related note, Liverpool Street is closed for a week over christmas "as a result of major engineering work on the approach lines to the station, in connection with the extension of TfLs East London line". I don't know if that's the ramp or a new track connection or preparatory works or what. Removal of Bridge GE19, which needs to go so it can be replaced by a new bridge to carry the ELLX over the Liverpool Street lines, which will itself be put in place in spring 2008 (I suspect that'll be a simpler operation than the removal of the old bridge). I think bridge GE19 isn't on the right alignment. See two of U Thant's helpful weblog entries: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...-route-at.html http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...idge-date.html Ah, those are helpful. I hadn't realised how much work was being done here - several streets being chopped and changed! There appears to a block of flats on Pedley St that will be completely cut off by the severing of the bridges; i think i'd be a bit miffed if i lived there. I assume nobody does! It's a bit of a shame they couldn't reuse the existing bridge for the ELL route - it looks like it's in the right place; maybe it's not at the right height. It's not particularly gorgeous, but it's historical. Still, i suppose our generation has to bequeath its share of drab works of engineering to the future too. There seem to be no pictures of bridge GE19 on the web. That google images can find, anyway. Even on flickr! Something to do on saturday ... tom -- .... to build a space elevator, that's got to be hundreds of thousands of pounds ... -- Mike Froggatt |
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On 11 Dec, 00:01, "John Rowland"
wrote: Mizter T wrote: That said, it will become a far more critical bit of London's transport infrastructure when it becomes part of the ELLX, so I guess it's worth getting everything right first time round during this closure and making sure all the works are done to a very high standard. But this isn't first time around! The ELL was closed for three years not long ago, when conversion to third rail and use of NR rolling stock etc was already inevitable. Yes, I was aware of that though I didn't mention it. One would think that any major remedial works were done then - the Thames Tunnel was certainly 'dealt with', though the shotcrete treatment wasn't to the liking of conservationists, which is of course why the line was closed for so much longer than originally anticipated (and of course you know this all already, but I'm just setting the scene for the audience!). I'd be most interested in seeing a break-down of the works. |
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On Dec 10, 11:48 pm, "John Rowland"
wrote: Is there a good reason for them to be different? Won't various signs and conduit friezes have to be replaced as a result of the colour change which could otherwise have been left alone? My guess is that they wanted something sufficiently different to indicate different services, but sufficiently similar to merge them at a later date. PhilD -- |
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On Dec 11, 8:31 am, PhilD wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:48 pm, "John Rowland" wrote: Is there a good reason for them to be different? Won't various signs and conduit friezes have to be replaced as a result of the colour change which could otherwise have been left alone? My guess is that they wanted something sufficiently different to indicate different services, but sufficiently similar to merge them at a later date. I think there's a case for keeping them seperate. The use of shades of orange suggests they're part of the same network, but it would ensure that noone would believe they can get a direct train from, say, New Cross to Hampstead Heath. Jonn |
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Richard J. wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only matters for a couple of weeks now! They are indeed different according to the TfL Colour Standard at http://tinyurl.com/32y8t2 ELL: Underground orange NCS S 0585-Y30R; RGB 236,158,0; Web FF 99 00 LO: Overground orange NCS S 0585-Y50R; RGB 232,106,16; Web FF 66 00. How do these compare with the colour that was once used to show BR services on underground maps in the dim and distant past. I recall having a fold out beck map from about 1989 (the DLR was there, with the Beckton line shown as "under construction", that should date it), it had the GNC, W&C and Thameslink core in orange-outline. Not long after, the BR services changed to thin black outline. All of this is subject to several years of possibly faulty memory. Robin |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message h.li... On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mizter T wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mizter T wrote: On 10 Dec, 19:11, Tom Anderson wrote: Someone remind me - why is the ELL closing for three years? On a related note, Liverpool Street is closed for a week over christmas "as a result of major engineering work on the approach lines to the station, in connection with the extension of TfLs East London line". I don't know if that's the ramp or a new track connection or preparatory works or what. Removal of Bridge GE19, which needs to go so it can be replaced by a new bridge to carry the ELLX over the Liverpool Street lines, which will itself be put in place in spring 2008 (I suspect that'll be a simpler operation than the removal of the old bridge). I think bridge GE19 isn't on the right alignment. See two of U Thant's helpful weblog entries: http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...-route-at.html http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...idge-date.html Ah, those are helpful. I hadn't realised how much work was being done here - several streets being chopped and changed! There appears to a block of flats on Pedley St that will be completely cut off by the severing of the bridges; i think i'd be a bit miffed if i lived there. I assume nobody does! I shall have to get down there and investigate. Need a couple of pics of 'my' road anyway! Could go to Langdon Park DLR too. Last I saw the flats were fully occupied and the pics on Google Earth show the old trackbed as having been filled in. Shouldn't be too hard to keep at least one bridge open for access or provide a temporary crossing. Nick -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, R.C. Payne wrote:
Richard J. wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only matters for a couple of weeks now! They are indeed different according to the TfL Colour Standard at http://tinyurl.com/32y8t2 ELL: Underground orange NCS S 0585-Y30R; RGB 236,158,0; Web FF 99 00 LO: Overground orange NCS S 0585-Y50R; RGB 232,106,16; Web FF 66 00. How do these compare with the colour that was once used to show BR services on underground maps in the dim and distant past. I recall having a fold out beck map from about 1989 (the DLR was there, with the Beckton line shown as "under construction", that should date it), it had the GNC, W&C and Thameslink core in orange-outline. This map has the W&C and GN&C in solid orange: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1986.html But no sign of Thameslink, but then that map is from '86, three years before it reopened. The next map in Mr Billson's collection is '95: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1995.htm At which point the NR lines are in the familiar outline form, and the W&C is a tube line. This slightly earlier map is interesting: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1974.html The W&C is shown in the same form as modern NR lines, a thin outline; it was an NR line at the time, so i suppose this is an antecedent of the modern style. What's more interesting is the way the ELL and GN&C are drawn - not like tube lines, but like a heavier version of the modern NR line, as used on the High Frequency Services map, although coloured. In both those cases, the colouring and layout of the key treats them as junior relations of the Metropolitan and Northern lines respectively, which is indeed how they were run, but which seems strange to modern eyes (to mine, at least!). When the GN&CR was part of the Northern line, was there ever a plan to link them up at Old Street or Moorgate? They run one on top of the other, so it would have been fairly simple, and would have made the GN&CR a proper part of the Northern. tom -- That's no moon! |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote the current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to Stratford via Willesden Junction; you cannot. Actually you can. But only at 0717, 0817, 1717 and 1817. Peter |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message .li... I take your point. ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road trains. You could do something similar with the Metropolitan. Moreover, the current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to Stratford via Willesden Junction; you cannot. Bit of a sweeping statement that Tom, there are 3 or 4 services each way to/from CJ shown in the weekday timetables! Paul |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, wrote: On Dec 11, 8:31 am, PhilD wrote: On Dec 10, 11:48 pm, "John Rowland" wrote: Is there a good reason for them to be different? Won't various signs and conduit friezes have to be replaced as a result of the colour change which could otherwise have been left alone? My guess is that they wanted something sufficiently different to indicate different services, but sufficiently similar to merge them at a later date. I think there's a case for keeping them seperate. The use of shades of orange suggests they're part of the same network, but it would ensure that noone would believe they can get a direct train from, say, New Cross to Hampstead Heath. I take your point. ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road trains. You could do something similar with the Metropolitan. Moreover, the current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to Stratford via Willesden Junction; you cannot. However, i think all of these limitations can be shown by layout, without using colour - as recent maps have done for the Wimbleware, and do for the Overground at Gospel Oak. The current map [1] makes the Wimbleware service fairly clear, though I can see a case for marking it out as a separate line, H&C style. One of the problems with the Underground map is that it is well suited to tube lines, where services are really very distinct from one another, but it is less good for subsurface and overground services where there is not a one line to one track type of segregation. I also don't like the wheelchair symbol. I don't object to the idea of showing stair free stations, and I can't think of a better idea for how to do it, but that doesn't stop me from not liking it. [1] http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/images/...d-tube-map.gif Robin |
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Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be
different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only matters for a couple of weeks now! On a related note, when the ELL line has vanished from the map, will the Overground Network go solid orange, which will eventually then include the ELL? Best Wishes, LEWIS |
New DLR station opened today
Nice to see someone placing a station where it is really needed.
Some idiot is trying to reopen the railway to Keswick ! What a waste of money. The roads to Keswick are freeflowing and there are buses and taxis. Why a railway ? DOH ! |
New DLR station opened today
On 11 Dec, 17:39, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote the current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to Stratford via Willesden Junction; you cannot. Actually you can. But only at 0717, 0817, 1717 and 1817. Peter Indeed. I've done it. |
New DLR station opened today
Tom Anderson wrote:
ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road trains. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...wimbleware.gif |
New DLR station opened today
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, cadman writes The roads to Keswick are freeflowing and there are buses and taxis. Why a railway ? DOH ! Buses and Taxis running where to where and how frequent and how much? -- Clive. |
New DLR station opened today
On Dec 12, 1:27 am, "John Rowland"
wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road trains. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...wimbleware.gif I have seen a C stock train at Richmond, heading for Edgware Road. It would have been in the middle of the day on a Saturday. Just the one, not an ongoing engineering diversion or anything. A long time ago, but maybe there are a few odd movements scheduled in the current timetables. |
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