On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, wrote:

On Dec 11, 8:31 am, PhilD wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:48 pm, "John Rowland"

wrote:
Is there a good reason for them to be different? Won't various signs and
conduit friezes have to be replaced as a result of the colour change which
could otherwise have been left alone?

My guess is that they wanted something sufficiently different to
indicate different services, but sufficiently similar to merge them at
a later date.

I think there's a case for keeping them seperate. The use of shades of
orange suggests they're part of the same network, but it would ensure
that noone would believe they can get a direct train from, say, New
Cross to Hampstead Heath.

I take your point. ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the
Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the
District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road
trains. You could do something similar with the Metropolitan. Moreover,
the current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to
Stratford via Willesden Junction; you cannot.

However, i think all of these limitations can be shown by layout, without
using colour - as recent maps have done for the Wimbleware, and do for the
Overground at Gospel Oak.

tom

--
That's no moon!

"Tom Anderson" wrote

the current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to
Stratford via Willesden Junction; you cannot.

Actually you can. But only at 0717, 0817, 1717 and 1817.

Peter

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
.li...

I take your point. ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the
Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the
District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road
trains. You could do something similar with the Metropolitan. Moreover,
the current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to
Stratford via Willesden Junction; you cannot.


Bit of a sweeping statement that Tom, there are 3 or 4 services each way
to/from CJ shown in the weekday timetables!

Paul

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, wrote:

On Dec 11, 8:31 am, PhilD wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:48 pm, "John Rowland"

wrote:
Is there a good reason for them to be different? Won't various signs
and
conduit friezes have to be replaced as a result of the colour change
which
could otherwise have been left alone?

My guess is that they wanted something sufficiently different to
indicate different services, but sufficiently similar to merge them
at a later date.

I think there's a case for keeping them seperate. The use of shades of
orange suggests they're part of the same network, but it would ensure
that noone would believe they can get a direct train from, say, New
Cross to Hampstead Heath.

I take your point. ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the
Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the
District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road
trains. You could do something similar with the Metropolitan. Moreover,
the current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to
Stratford via Willesden Junction; you cannot.

However, i think all of these limitations can be shown by layout,
without using colour - as recent maps have done for the Wimbleware, and
do for the Overground at Gospel Oak.

The current map [1] makes the Wimbleware service fairly clear, though I
can see a case for marking it out as a separate line, H&C style. One of
the problems with the Underground map is that it is well suited to tube
lines, where services are really very distinct from one another, but it
is less good for subsurface and overground services where there is not a
one line to one track type of segregation. I also don't like the
wheelchair symbol. I don't object to the idea of showing stair free
stations, and I can't think of a better idea for how to do it, but that
doesn't stop me from not liking it.

[1] http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/images/...d-tube-map.gif

Robin

Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be
different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only
matters for a couple of weeks now!

On a related note, when the ELL line has vanished from the map, will the
Overground Network go solid orange, which will eventually then include the
ELL?

Best Wishes,
LEWIS

Nice to see someone placing a station where it is really needed.

Some idiot is trying to reopen the railway to Keswick !
What a waste of money.

The roads to Keswick are freeflowing and there are buses and taxis.
Why a railway ? DOH !

On 11 Dec, 17:39, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote

the current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to
Stratford via Willesden Junction; you cannot.

Actually you can. But only at 0717, 0817, 1717 and 1817.

Peter


Indeed. I've done it.

Tom Anderson wrote:

ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the
Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the
District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road
trains.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...wimbleware.gif

In message
,
cadman writes
The roads to Keswick are freeflowing and there are buses and taxis.
Why a railway ? DOH !
Buses and Taxis running where to where and how frequent and how much?
--
Clive.

On Dec 12, 1:27 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:

ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the
Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the
District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road
trains.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...wimbleware.gif

I have seen a C stock train at Richmond, heading for Edgware Road. It
would have been in the middle of the day on a Saturday. Just the one,
not an ongoing engineering diversion or anything.

A long time ago, but maybe there are a few odd movements scheduled in
the current timetables.