"cadman" wrote in message
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Nice to see someone placing a station where it is really needed.

Some idiot is trying to reopen the railway to Keswick !
What a waste of money.

The roads to Keswick are freeflowing and there are buses and taxis.
Why a railway ? DOH !

http://money.independent.co.uk/prope...cle3242636.ece

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:32:57 -0800 (PST), MIG
wrote:

On Dec 12, 1:27 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:

ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the
Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the
District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road
trains.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...wimbleware.gif

I have seen a C stock train at Richmond, heading for Edgware Road. It
would have been in the middle of the day on a Saturday. Just the one,
not an ongoing engineering diversion or anything.

I've been on C stock trains from Turnham Green to Acton Town a couple
of times at weekends...

On 11 Dec, 17:15, Tom Anderson wrote:

This map has the W&C and GN&C in solid orange:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1986.html

Wow - was the H&C (or Met, in those days) past Whitechapel really once
peak-hours only? And did Met trains from the main line really only run
through to Aldgate in the peaks?

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"Lew 1" wrote in message
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Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be
different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only
matters for a couple of weeks now!

On a related note, when the ELL line has vanished from the map, will the
Overground Network go solid orange, which will eventually then include the
ELL?


Probably not, because out there somewhere is a statement from TfL that they
will leave it as a double line, like the DLR, as it is a similar network of
lines, unlike the underground, which has a colour for each individual line.

Paul

On 12 Dec, 10:32, John B wrote:

On 11 Dec, 17:15, Tom Anderson wrote:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1986.html

Wow - was the H&C (or Met, in those days) past Whitechapel really once
peak-hours only? And did Met trains from the main line really only run
through to Aldgate in the peaks?

You're making me feel very, very old. But yes, back then the "big
Met" terminated at Baker Street, and the "little Met" at Whitechapel,
off-peak.

The current service pattern only came in after the "little Met" became
a line in its own right. (There were some other weird experiments
with the sub-surface lines around the same time, such as sending the
Olympia trains all the way to Edgware Road. But this was the only one
that really stuck.)

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, R.C. Payne wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, wrote:

On Dec 11, 8:31 am, PhilD wrote:
On Dec 10, 11:48 pm, "John Rowland"

wrote:
Is there a good reason for them to be different? Won't various signs and
conduit friezes have to be replaced as a result of the colour change
which
could otherwise have been left alone?

My guess is that they wanted something sufficiently different to indicate
different services, but sufficiently similar to merge them at a later
date.

I think there's a case for keeping them seperate. The use of shades of
orange suggests they're part of the same network, but it would ensure that
noone would believe they can get a direct train from, say, New Cross to
Hampstead Heath.

I take your point. ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the
Wimbleware service in a different shade of green to the rest of the
District to make it clear that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road
trains. You could do something similar with the Metropolitan. Moreover, the
current map suggests you can get a train from Clapham Junction to Stratford
via Willesden Junction; you cannot.

However, i think all of these limitations can be shown by layout, without
using colour - as recent maps have done for the Wimbleware, and do for the
Overground at Gospel Oak.

The current map [1] makes the Wimbleware service fairly clear,

Yes, that was my point.

though I can see a case for marking it out as a separate line, H&C
style. One of the problems with the Underground map is that it is well
suited to tube lines, where services are really very distinct from one
another, but it is less good for subsurface and overground services
where there is not a one line to one track type of segregation.

See my strenuous remarks in the threads we've had about colouring the
London Connections map - i think the situation isn't quite as bad as you
might think. Worse than the tube, but not a dead loss.

I also don't like the wheelchair symbol. I don't object to the idea of
showing stair free stations, and I can't think of a better idea for how
to do it, but that doesn't stop me from not liking it.

I agree. The problem is that it's a circle, which implies interchange.
Could they not just have plonked a little wheelchair icon next to the
station tick? Or put it in the middle of the circle for actual
interchanges.

tom

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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, John Rowland wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

ISTR a map (drawn by J. Rowland?) which put the Wimbleware service in a
different shade of green to the rest of the District to make it clear
that there were no Richmond - Edgware Road trains.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...wimbleware.gif

I KNEW IT!

tom

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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Lew 1" wrote in message
...

Incidentally, i noticed the Overground shade of orange seems to be
different to the ELL one. I assumed they'd be the same. Oh well, only
matters for a couple of weeks now!

On a related note, when the ELL line has vanished from the map, will
the Overground Network go solid orange, which will eventually then
include the ELL?

Probably not, because out there somewhere is a statement from TfL that
they will leave it as a double line, like the DLR, as it is a similar
network of lines, unlike the underground, which has a colour for each
individual line.

And it's still going to have NR-style frequencies, unlike the tube.

tom

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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, John B wrote:

On 11 Dec, 17:15, Tom Anderson wrote:

This map has the W&C and GN&C in solid orange:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.billson/1986.html

Wow - was the H&C (or Met, in those days) past Whitechapel really once
peak-hours only?

It still is, isn't it? I have a friend who lived in Stepney a few years
ago, and getting home from hers was a nightmare in the evenings for
exactly that reason.

And did Met trains from the main line really only run through to Aldgate
in the peaks?

Er, they still do.

Maybe you knew these things. Apologies, my sarcasm detector is broken this
morning.

tom

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, cadman wrote:

Nice to see someone placing a station where it is really needed.

Some idiot is trying to reopen the railway to Keswick !
What a waste of money.

The roads to Keswick are freeflowing and there are buses and taxis.

The buses in the Lake District are a bit of a joke. Which is not to say
that the train service wouldn't be.

Why a railway ? DOH !

It's scenic!

tom

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