On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote:

On 14 Jan, 18:02, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message

...

Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take
full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as
at SSL resignalling?

My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was
handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached
with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line

There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't
be allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their
stock (that might need to use the line) with trip cocks...

I was under the vague impression that the LU SSLs were ditching the
whole trip cock system altogether.

They are. They just put that restriction in to get a rise out of SWT.

tom

--
Transform your language.

at SSL resignalling?

the LU SSLs were ditching the
whole trip cock system altogether.

When the line transferred the new SSL signalling was not defined
either technically or in timescale.

--
Nick

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Mizter T wrote:

On 14 Jan, 18:02, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message

...

Presumably this will all be a bit harder to organise if/when TfL take
full responsibility for the line at some time in the future, such as
at SSL resignalling?

My understanding was that when the Putney to Wimbledon stretch was
handed over to LUL at privatisation, there was an agreement reached
with regards to continuing 'National Rail' use of the line

There was a discussion recently that quoted TfL as saying SWT wouldn't
be allowed on the line after resignalling unless they fitted all their
stock (that might need to use the line) with trip cocks...

I was under the vague impression that the LU SSLs were ditching the whole
trip cock system altogether.

They are. They just put that restriction in to get a rise out of SWT.


I found what triggered that discussion - an article on the District in
Modern Railways (Oct 2007):

"East Putney & Wimbledon. The infrastructure of this outpost of the London
&South Western Railway [1] will be transferred to LU and the SSL signalling
scheme will apply. This in turn will require SWT either to fit all the
trains which it wishes to use on this line with the appropriate equipment,
or to abandon its use altogether."

[1] Network Rail surely!

Based on interview with the District line general manager, apparently...

Paul S

"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

David

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup
wrote:

"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at
Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).

On 14 Jan, 20:06, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup
wrote:





"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. *Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at
Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).-

Or it could just mean that Earls Court to Wimbledon is covered by
trains from the Victoria direction.

MIG wrote:
On 14 Jan, 20:06, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman
pleasereplytogroup wrote:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...k-closures.pdf
has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City)

- though actually that is not currently included in the latest LU list
of closures for "this weekend" (19/20 Jan)

- No Circle - Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall
which frees up the required paths from East Putney.

The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing
at Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).

No, you can only enter Triangle Sidings from the westbound (from High St
Ken) direction. East-to-west reversing at Earl's Court takes place just
east of the station on the inner eastbound track, i.e. trains depart
from platform 2 and reverse into platform 3. It limits operational
flexibility in the station area, though at one time Olympia trains used
to do this all the time.

Or it could just mean that Earls Court to Wimbledon is covered by
trains from the Victoria direction.

Yes, that's more likely.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
MIG wrote:
On 14 Jan, 20:06, Charles Ellson
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman
pleasereplytogroup wrote:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...k-closures.pdf
has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City)

- though actually that is not currently included in the latest LU
list of closures for "this weekend" (19/20 Jan)

Oops, sorry. I'd lost track of the fact that this thread related to
Easter weekend, March 21-24. My other comments are still relevant.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Jan 14, 8:06 pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup
wrote:



"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend shows a 6
tph service through East Putney. Will this result in a much reduced
District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to
Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per
hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at
Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via
Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle - Earl's
Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall which
frees up the required paths from East Putney.

The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing at
Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).

The Edgware Road service will be diverted to run Edgware Road -
Olympia, the last time this TTN was used I'm sure they were every 10
minutes.
There will be no Olympia-High St Ken shuttle.

Reversing at Earl's Court is impossible and detraining at High St
Kensington to reverse at Triangle is not a good idea.

chunky munky wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:06 pm, Charles Ellson
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:02 -0600, David Jackman
pleasereplytogroup wrote:



"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

SWT's advance engineering works info for the Easter weekend
shows a 6 tph service through East Putney. Will this result in
a much reduced District Line service?

"Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking
to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo
services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking
service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one
Twickenham via Kingston)."

info from SWT website:
http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...Easter2008.htm

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...me/tube/track-
closures.pdf has work for that weekend as affecting:

"Baker Street to Hammersmith (Hammersmith & City) - No Circle -
Earl's Court to Edgware Road (District)"

So I'd suggest the Edware Road-Wimbledon service won't run atall
which frees up the required paths from East Putney.

The above seems to imply that Wimbleware trains will be reversing
at Earls/Earl's Court (via Triangle Sidings?).

The Edgware Road service will be diverted to run Edgware Road -
Olympia,

But LU say no District service between Earl's Court and Edgware Road.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)