Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.

wrote in message
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Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.

That will due to Metronet, oh hang on a minute, the Jubilee Line is run but
the super efficient Tubelines. I think that you imagined the delay in that
case.

Kevin

On Feb 18, 6:15 pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
wrote in message

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Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.

That will due to Metronet, oh hang on a minute, the Jubilee Line is run but
the super efficient Tubelines. I think that you imagined the delay in that
case.

Kevin

At least it is showing Tubelines up too!

However, it is up to LUL to manage and deal with the disruptions that
LUL, the InfraCo or the beloved passengers cause. It is down to LUL to
regulate out the service and to decide whether to cancel or reverse
trains.

Some of the line (signal control north/west of Green Park) is down to
Metronet, though this will change in 2009 when upgrade moves on
again.

In message
, at
07:07:41 on Mon, 18 Feb 2008, "
remarked:
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.

You Londonders just don't realise how good you have it. Most of the
trains where I live only run once an hour, twice if you are really
lucky!
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:

In message
, at
07:07:41 on Mon, 18 Feb 2008, "
remarked:
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.

You Londonders just don't realise how good you have it. Most of the
trains where I live only run once an hour, twice if you are really
lucky!
--
Roland Perry


I certainly take your point Roland, however tens of thousands of
people in London are relying on these trains to take them to or from
work, which isn't the case in Notts - it would be great if it was, but
it ain't. In a way being philosophical and stoical about it sounds
like a good idea, however I think that attitude can mean the pressure
is somewhat taken off the operator (in this case LU - in the broadest
sense, so I include Tube Lines in that) from getting it right - I
think Metro systems elsewhere in the world are far less tolerant of
'operating issues', whatever they may be. Of course one should balance
that against the fact that LU was starved of funds for years, and only
in the past few years have big improvements really started to take
shape. When the Jubilee eventually fully switches over to ATO I expect
that its level of performance will go right up.

Meanwhile I think it's a good idea for people to be equally demanding
of railway operations all across Britain, though it does seem that in
many places people have broadly given up on such hopes and are merely
thankful that a service of sorts operates at all.

On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote:
Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.


I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first
train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did
you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often
less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess
it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London...

Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault
or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you
given over the PA?

On Feb 18, 7:16 pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote:

Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.

I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first
train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did
you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often
less packed.


Do you travel regularly in the rush hour? I used to think 'I'm sure
I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few
trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at
Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you
can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel
with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding
where it is simply *not possible* to get on.

On 18 Feb, 21:01, brixtonite wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:16 pm, Mizter T wrote:

On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote:

Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.

I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first
train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did
you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often
less packed.

Do you travel regularly in the rush hour? I used to think 'I'm sure
I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few
trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at
Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you
can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel
with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding
where it is simply *not possible* to get on.


Yes I do, but only by Tube some of the time. But yes, you make a fair
enough point. I must admit I was really thinking about this in the
context of the eastern end of the Jubilee line, where this gentleman
was attempting to get on board. I'm well aware that the line is well
patronised in the east these days, unlike in the early days, as more
people work at the Wharf and commute via Stratford and West Ham -
however, I am under the (perhaps wrongful) impression that during the
morning peak it still isn't as crowded as is the case going the other
way on the eastbound Jubilee heading in to the Docklands from central
London, Waterloo and London Bridge.

The picture you paint does show how ugly it can indeed get - and yes,
I also have experience of the southern section of the Northern line
into town and it is indeed sardine like. If one can possibly avoid the
Bank branch during the rush then they certainly should. I also bear
the scars of using the North London Line at peak times too, and that
is just somewhat unreal!

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, brixtonite wrote:

On Feb 18, 7:16 pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote:

Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.

I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first
train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did
you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often
less packed.

Do you travel regularly in the rush hour? I used to think 'I'm sure
I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few
trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at
Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you
can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel
with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where
it is simply *not possible* to get on.

I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went
to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in
the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to
work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say
- quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief!

tom

--
At Forkmeeter in 12478, the Wracket Dispersal had reached the first
limit of its bounding eastward rush.

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, brixtonite wrote:

(snip)

[...] I used to think 'I'm sure
I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few
trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at
Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you
can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel
with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where
it is simply *not possible* to get on.

I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went
to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in
the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to
work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say
- quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief!

tom


It's like Dante's Inferno at the peak of the rush hour.

Obviously the Northern line is a major factor in making Clapham a
popular district to live in, problem being that it's a victim of its
own success. For journeys from Clapham to the City the Northern line
really is the glaringly obvious route by public transport. One
alternative is the South London Line from Clapham High Street to
London Bridge, but that's a half-hourly two car train that also gets
pretty busy. Otherwise it's the bus, and one has to change at Elephant
& Castle as well - perhaps there's a need for a through bus to the
City (like there used to be?), to take some of the strain off the
Northern line.

All of which explains why there's an awful lot of people cycling up to
town from those parts these days. The Northern line is also pretty
busy during the 'shoulder peak' periods, when many of those who can
sensibly opt to travel in a more civilised manner (albeit quite
possibly at a less civilised hour!).