On Feb 18, 7:16*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote:

I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first
train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did
you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often
less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess
it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London...

Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault
or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you
given over the PA?

The first two trains are both completely packed and there wasn't
anyone who wanted to get off as well.
Well the third train came after just 2 mins after the second train,
what would you do?

On Feb 18, 9:10*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:16:56 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote:
Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? *I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. *When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. *And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! *This is
really an unacceptable service.

I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first
train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did
you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often
less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess
it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London...

I don't think you would have done. Assuming it was the rush hour then it
isn't that easy to get on a w/b train at Canning Town on a normal
headway. It would have been impossible with a ten minute gap in the
service. *The flows at Stratford are just never ending - goodness knows
what it'll be like once all of the improved services are in place!

I attended what is called the Ops Committee last week and it was on the
Jubilee Line. The Line General Manager showed two graphs which showed
the growth in traffic, in both directions in the peak, over the last two
years. All of the 7th car capacity increase has been eaten up. The
extent of growth is quite amazing.

The Jubilee Line has had a rough few months and an awful lot of work is
being done to get it back to normal. *This was all said in front of Tim
O'Toole so you can rest assured he will want to see it all delivered.

Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault
or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you
given over the PA?

Haven't seen the daily report but I fear it might be either a signal or
train issue - too many of those of late.

--
Paul C

Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul,
There was a signal failure at Stradford. My purpose of bring the
Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are
thinking the same thing as I do. The performance of the Jubilee line
is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the
DLR at Bank station is a mess as well.

I also travelled on the Jubilee line on last Sat. There was a
supsension beyond Waterloo and the rest of the line in the west side.
Basically there problem is ongoing.

On 19 Feb, 18:01, " wrote:
On Feb 18, 9:10*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:





On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:16:56 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote:
Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? *I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. *When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. *And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! *This is
really an unacceptable service.

I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first
train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did
you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often
less packed. Out of interest which way were you going? I shall guess
it was westwards towards Canary Wharf/ central London...

I don't think you would have done. Assuming it was the rush hour then it
isn't that easy to get on a w/b train at Canning Town on a normal
headway. It would have been impossible with a ten minute gap in the
service. *The flows at Stratford are just never ending - goodness knows
what it'll be like once all of the improved services are in place!

I attended what is called the Ops Committee last week and it was on the
Jubilee Line. The Line General Manager showed two graphs which showed
the growth in traffic, in both directions in the peak, over the last two
years. All of the 7th car capacity increase has been eaten up. The
extent of growth is quite amazing.

The Jubilee Line has had a rough few months and an awful lot of work is
being done to get it back to normal. *This was all said in front of Tim
O'Toole so you can rest assured he will want to see it all delivered.

Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault
or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you
given over the PA?

Haven't seen the daily report but I fear it might be either a signal or
train issue - too many of those of late.

--
Paul C

Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul,
There was a signal failure at Stradford. *My purpose of bring the
Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are
thinking the same thing as I do. *The performance of the Jubilee line
is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the
DLR at Bank station is a mess as well.

I also travelled on the Jubilee line on last Sat. *There was a
supsension beyond Waterloo and the rest of the line in the west side.
Basically there problem is ongoing.

Maybe it started badly and then went into a decline ...

Actually, my main experience was back in 2000 or so, when five-or-more-
minute intervals were normal in the rush hour if it was running and
there were constant signal failures. Maybe it's got better in
between, but I don't use it so much.

("Is there a Sunday service on the JLE?" "Yes, every day.")

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:01:28 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

Paul,
There was a signal failure at Stradford. My purpose of bring the
Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are
thinking the same thing as I do. The performance of the Jubilee line
is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the
DLR at Bank station is a mess as well.

The performance of the Jubilee Line has been declining for a number of
periods. Tube Lines had managed to get the level of disruption under
control earlier in 2007 to the point where they were earning bonuses
under the PPP performance regime. They are now heavily back into
abatement territory following an increase in overall incidents plus some
very long duration incidents such as earlier this month with problems
three days in a row in the rush hours.

It will be no solace at all to you to know that the Jubilee Line has
more "red days" (i.e. high lost customer hours in a day) in Period 11
than the Northern Line.

I also travelled on the Jubilee line on last Sat. There was a
supsension beyond Waterloo and the rest of the line in the west side.
Basically there problem is ongoing.

On Saturday there was a defective train at West Ham followed not long
after by another problem train at Baker St where there was a report of
smoke from under the train. This caused the service to be suspended for
50 minutes.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On 19 Feb, 20:26, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Saturday there was a defective train at West Ham

I was trying to catch that. It pulled into the station and sat there
without opening the doors, and I got on a northbound instead after a
few minutes. Do you know what the problem was?

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

wrote:

On Feb 18, 9:10pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:16:56 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

(lots of snipping)

I attended what is called the Ops Committee last week and it was on the
Jubilee Line. The Line General Manager showed two graphs which showed
the growth in traffic, in both directions in the peak, over the last two
years. All of the 7th car capacity increase has been eaten up. The
extent of growth is quite amazing.

The Jubilee Line has had a rough few months and an awful lot of work is
being done to get it back to normal. �This was all said in front of Tim
O'Toole so you can rest assured he will want to see it all delivered.

Obviously something had gone wrong somewhere, perhaps a signal fault
or someone activated an emergency alarm - what information were you
given over the PA?

Haven't seen the daily report but I fear it might be either a signal or
train issue - too many of those of late.

--
Paul C

Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul,
There was a signal failure at Stradford. My purpose of bring the
Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are
thinking the same thing as I do. The performance of the Jubilee line
is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the
DLR at Bank station is a mess as well.


What's up with the DLR at Bank at the mo?

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:41:35 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:


wrote:

There was a signal failure at Stradford. My purpose of bring the
Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are
thinking the same thing as I do. The performance of the Jubilee line
is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the
DLR at Bank station is a mess as well.


What's up with the DLR at Bank at the mo?

I suspect he may be referring to the escalator problems that are causing
delays and congestion within the station complex.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On 19 Feb, 22:56, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:41:35 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:

wrote:

There was a signal failure at Stradford. My purpose of bring the
Jubilee line topic up is to basically see if there are others who are
thinking the same thing as I do. The performance of the Jubilee line
is deteriorating to a point which is not very bearable considering the
DLR at Bank station is a mess as well.

What's up with the DLR at Bank at the mo?

I suspect he may be referring to the escalator problems that are causing
delays and congestion within the station complex.
--
Paul C


Aha, of course. Perhaps some people might wish to make more use of
Tower Gateway, where it's somewhat less hectic in the morning peak.
Though that's only really of use to people on the District line coming
from the west - I'd hope that those coming in on the Met have already
worked out that Tower Gateway DLR is just down the road from Aldgate.

However from Tower Gateway the DLR trains head off east to Beckton,
so for those heading for Canary Wharf this necessitates a change at
Westferry, to cram on the train from Bank heading to the Wharf.
Although of course it doesn't - the more appropriate change at
Westferry would be onto foot for the short walk onto the Wharf.

All of which isn't a great deal of help for those coming from other
parts for whom the Jubilee line is the sole sensible rail route.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, brixtonite wrote:

On Feb 18, 7:16 pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 18 Feb, 15:07, " wrote:

Anyone wants to share his/her experience with the recent problems on
the Jubilee line? I just had a very bad day this morning again at the
Canning Town station. When I got there this morning, the next train
wasn't there until another 10 minutes. And of course, I could not get
on to a train until another next 2 trains as they were fully packed.
So in total, I waited for almost 18 mins on the platform! This is
really an unacceptable service.

I'm pretty sure I would have joined the heaving masses in the first
train, or maybe just waited for the second, but not beyond that. Did
you go to one end of the platform - the ends of the train are often
less packed.

Do you travel regularly in the rush hour? I used to think 'I'm sure
I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few
trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at
Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you
can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel
with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where
it is simply *not possible* to get on.

I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went
to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in
the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to
work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say
- quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief!

tom

--
At Forkmeeter in 12478, the Wracket Dispersal had reached the first
limit of its bounding eastward rush.

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, brixtonite wrote:

(snip)

[...] I used to think 'I'm sure
I'd've pushed my way on' when people told me about waiting for a few
trains go past, but having experienced it (on the Northern line at
Clapham/Stockwell/Kennington,) there's a degree of crowding where you
can push quite impolitely into the people already on board and travel
with your head in someone's armpit, and then a degree of crowding where
it is simply *not possible* to get on.

I used to go out with a girl who lived near Clapham South tube; she went
to work (by car!) pretty early by my standards, and so turfed me out in
the mornings in the height of rush hour to catch a Northern line train to
work. Thus, i've experienced this quite a bit, and it's exactly as you say
- quite unbelievable. Splitting up with her was quite a relief!

tom


It's like Dante's Inferno at the peak of the rush hour.

Obviously the Northern line is a major factor in making Clapham a
popular district to live in, problem being that it's a victim of its
own success. For journeys from Clapham to the City the Northern line
really is the glaringly obvious route by public transport. One
alternative is the South London Line from Clapham High Street to
London Bridge, but that's a half-hourly two car train that also gets
pretty busy. Otherwise it's the bus, and one has to change at Elephant
& Castle as well - perhaps there's a need for a through bus to the
City (like there used to be?), to take some of the strain off the
Northern line.

All of which explains why there's an awful lot of people cycling up to
town from those parts these days. The Northern line is also pretty
busy during the 'shoulder peak' periods, when many of those who can
sensibly opt to travel in a more civilised manner (albeit quite
possibly at a less civilised hour!).