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Crossrail could bankrupt London - says Ken Livingstone
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Mr Thant wrote:
On 25 Mar, 23:49, Tom Anderson wrote: The Jubilee? To Docklands. AIUI the Jubilee between London Bridge and North Greenwich is already one of the most congested bits of the network. Right. And how is Crossrail going to relieve that? By letting people on the North Kent line from east of Abbey Wood change there? That's not exactly a huge fraction of the Jubilee's passengers, is it? And don't they already have the option to do Greenwich - Docklands by DLR? Not that that's exactly a high-capacity route itself. True. All of which could be done without the tunnel, for a fraction of the price. And without increasing any capacity from the termini to where people work/shop/go out/etc, which is the whole point of the current iteration of the project. Entirely agreed. But the point i was making in the text that's been snipped is that the Crossrail project doesn't deliver significant increases in capacity outside central London, and none that couldn't be provided much more cheaply. Again, could be done without the tunnel. And where do you plan to build the extra platforms at Paddington and Liverpool Street? Liverpool Street isn't limited by platform capacity, it's limited by capacity through the station throat. Rebuilding that is entirely possible, although of course not trivial. I don't know about Paddington, i have to confess. But since all we're talking about is lengthening trains, why do we need more platforms? Do we know how much of the budget is for this? My understanding was that Oxford Circus wasn't going to be rebuilt; the Crossrail station would be essentialy separate. It thus has a slightly marginal effect on overcrowding - the people relieved onto Crossrail will no longer be clogging the place up, but plenty of other people will. No idea about TCR. Slightly marginal? The two Crossrail stations adjacent to Oxford Circus will have enormous entrances at the ends nearest to it, exactly to attract the crowds away without overcrowding the actual Oxford Circus area. In theory at least they're hoping to attract away a lot more passengers. If you're going into Oxford Circus to get on the Victoria line, this isn't going to make any difference whatsoever. The new bit being added, however enormous, will only decongest the existing station to the extent that they can abstract passengers away from the Central line. tom -- GOLDIE LOOKIN' CHAIN [...] will ultimately make all other forms of music both redundant and unnecessary -- NTK |
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