On 19 Apr, 09:33, JB wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:03:09 +0100, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:

In article , Barry Salter
writes

*Is* it necessary to stop at the boundary station when making
such a journey?

Only if the "other" ticket is *NOT* a Season ticket, as per
Condition 19 of the NCoC.

Note, by the way, that a "Boundary Zone" ticket is *not* a separate
ticket for the purposes of NCoC 19. Rather, it's a receipt for the
additional fare to extend your journey, so that your Travelcard
*becomes* the ticket valid for the journey to the named station.

[This was hammered into me the other day when Kentish Town actually
issued me a "zonal extension", on LU stock, when I asked for a BZ6 to
Luton ticket. The gates at Luton were happy with it, though.]

Very interesting. Last week I had to travel from an FCC station
somewhere north of London* to Redhill, and then around London. I was
going to buy a one day "north of London" to R1256 travelcard and an
East Croydon to Redhill day return (as I know all the Redhill trains
stop at East Croydon). But the ticket office at the FCC station told
me I was better getting a Boundary 6 to Redhill.

I did ponder whether it was a valid combination for NCOC 19, but if
you are saying that it is not a combination, but should be considered
one ticket, that makes sense.

*location removed as I wouldn't want the FCC station to get into
trouble for suggesting cheaper tickets.


So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the 'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely a
receipt for an additional fare?

Absurdly, these issues still confuse me, and seemingly many others,
despite the fact they come up at least every month! One feels an FAQ
would be helpful - I'd happily compile one but for the fact that half
my answers would be wrong!

Mizter T wrote:

Absurdly, these issues still confuse me, and seemingly many others,
despite the fact they come up at least every month! One feels an FAQ
would be helpful - I'd happily compile one but for the fact that half
my answers would be wrong!

I totally agree - and, clearly, many of the staff trying to enforce the
regulations are as confused as the travelling public! It seems to be a
lottery whether you get challenged or not (and whether that challenge is
correct or not).

"Mizter T" wrote
So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the 'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely a
receipt for an additional fare?

Yes, indeed I can confirm that. I do it regularly when I visit
London for 'leisure' (railway enthusiasm) purposes; I have often
bought more than one such BZ ticket on the same day. Sometimes I
extend 'normal' Day Travelcards; on other occasions I extend
'outboundary' Day Travelcards.

On Thursday this week, I used a Day Travelcard from Newark [1] and at
Victoria I extended it from BZ6 to Bognor Regis. Or at least that's
what I asked for at Victoria; I later discovered that I'd been issued
a Cheap Day Return from BZ*4* (rather than 6). Can anyone tell me
how much extra I paid because of this error?

[1] I drove to Newark because Cheap Day Returns and Outboundary
Travelcards are not available from Retford. NXEC: *please* do
something about this!

John Salmon wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote
So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the 'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely a
receipt for an additional fare?

Yes, indeed I can confirm that. I do it regularly when I visit
London for 'leisure' (railway enthusiasm) purposes; I have often
bought more than one such BZ ticket on the same day. Sometimes I
extend 'normal' Day Travelcards; on other occasions I extend
'outboundary' Day Travelcards.

On Thursday this week, I used a Day Travelcard from Newark [1] and at
Victoria I extended it from BZ6 to Bognor Regis. Or at least that's
what I asked for at Victoria; I later discovered that I'd been issued
a Cheap Day Return from BZ*4* (rather than 6). Can anyone tell me
how much extra I paid because of this error?

You might have paid less. I recall that SVRs to Cambridge are cheaper
from BZ4 than from BZ6 or something like that at the moment.
--
Michael Hoffman

"Michael Hoffman" wrote
John Salmon wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote
So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary
Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the
'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely
a
receipt for an additional fare?

Yes, indeed I can confirm that. I do it regularly when I visit
London for 'leisure' (railway enthusiasm) purposes; I have often
bought more than one such BZ ticket on the same day. Sometimes I
extend 'normal' Day Travelcards; on other occasions I extend
'outboundary' Day Travelcards.

On Thursday this week, I used a Day Travelcard from Newark [1] and
at Victoria I extended it from BZ6 to Bognor Regis. Or at least
that's what I asked for at Victoria; I later discovered that I'd
been issued a Cheap Day Return from BZ*4* (rather than 6). Can
anyone tell me how much extra I paid because of this error?

You might have paid less. I recall that SVRs to Cambridge are
cheaper from BZ4 than from BZ6 or something like that at the
moment.

Interesting. How are these extension fares calculated?

In article ,
(John Salmon) wrote:

"Michael Hoffman" wrote
John Salmon wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote
So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the 'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely
a receipt for an additional fare?

Yes, indeed I can confirm that. I do it regularly when I visit
London for 'leisure' (railway enthusiasm) purposes; I have often
bought more than one such BZ ticket on the same day. Sometimes I
extend 'normal' Day Travelcards; on other occasions I extend
'outboundary' Day Travelcards.

On Thursday this week, I used a Day Travelcard from Newark [1] and
at Victoria I extended it from BZ6 to Bognor Regis. Or at least
that's what I asked for at Victoria; I later discovered that I'd
been issued a Cheap Day Return from BZ*4* (rather than 6). Can
anyone tell me how much extra I paid because of this error?

You might have paid less. I recall that SVRs to Cambridge are
cheaper from BZ4 than from BZ6 or something like that at the moment.

Interesting. How are these extension fares calculated?

If FCC are involved, with a ouija board, as far as I can see.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article
,
Mizter T writes
So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the 'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely a
receipt for an additional fare?

Yes. However, I believe that for some cases the additional payment is
different for day and period travelcards.

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On 20 Apr, 01:30, "Clive D. W. Feather" cl...@on-the-
train.demon.co.uk wrote:

In article
,
Mizter T writes

So, for the sake of clarity, can we confirm that a 'Boundary Zone'
ticket can also be used with a *Day* Travelcard - as the 'Boundary
Zone' ticket is not in fact technically a separate ticket, merely a
receipt for an additional fare?

Yes. However, I believe that for some cases the additional payment is
different for day and period travelcards.


That I did not know. Wow, it just gets more and more complicated!