According to the London ****e, there will be Oysters on Overground by
next May.

Whatever one might interpret that to mean, it's all Boris Johnson's
idea.

Why didn't anyone think of it before (whatever it means)?

MIG wrote:
According to the London ****e, there will be Oysters on Overground by
next May.

Whatever one might interpret that to mean, it's all Boris Johnson's
idea.

Why didn't anyone think of it before (whatever it means)?

First Great Western are to be the first according to the radio.
Boris has done it so fast, it's a pity Ken did not try it (;-)

--
Tony the Dragon

On Mon, 12 May 2008 18:52:51 +0100, Tony Dragon
wrote:

MIG wrote:
According to the London ****e, there will be Oysters on Overground by
next May.

Whatever one might interpret that to mean, it's all Boris Johnson's
idea.

Why didn't anyone think of it before (whatever it means)?

First Great Western are to be the first according to the radio.
Boris has done it so fast, it's a pity Ken did not try it (;-)

Ken was trying, but apparently Boris has adopted a "less
confrontational" approach which appears to be paying dividends.

On 12 May, 18:56, James Farrar wrote:
According to the London ****e, there will be Oysters on Overground by
next May.

Whatever one might interpret that to mean, it's all Boris Johnson's
idea.

Why didn't anyone think of it before (whatever it means)?

First Great Western are to be the first according to the radio.
Boris has done it so fast, it's a pity Ken did not try it (;-)

Ken was trying, but apparently Boris has adopted a "less
confrontational" approach which appears to be paying dividends.

Or, in the real world, Ken had already achieved it (Oyster was already
scheduled for roll-out on National Rail by 2009) but Boris took the
credit, and the Standard has let him get away with taking the credit.

Still, I'm sure the London press will be happy to apply just the same
levels of scrutiny to the new mayor that it applied to his
predecessor. Oh yes.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:

Or, in the real world, Ken had already achieved it (Oyster was already
scheduled for roll-out on National Rail by 2009) but Boris took the
credit, and the Standard has let him get away with taking the credit.

Still, I'm sure the London press will be happy to apply just the same
levels of scrutiny to the new mayor that it applied to his
predecessor. Oh yes.

Boris's campaign could have done without the headache of the row over
routemaster costs. And which newspaper made an issue of it?

Anyway if you want an anti-Boris Livingstone-nostalgic paper, buy the
Grauniad. Or try getting "The Evening Communist" started and successful.

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

Boris's campaign could have done without the headache of the row over
routemaster costs. And which newspaper made an issue of it?


The Guardian. Dave Hill's piece appeared around about the first week in
March and proved to be entirely correct.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...london08.boris

When did the Standard lay into it?

Anyway if you want an anti-Boris Livingstone-nostalgic paper, buy
the Grauniad. Or try getting "The Evening Communist" started and
successful.

If you like your transport finances to pass more than a superficial
examination you're a Communist? Interesting. *makes note*

Tom

On 12 May, 19:00, John B wrote:
First Great Western are to be the first according to the radio.
Boris has done it so fast, it's a pity Ken did not try it (;-)

Ken was trying,

Boy, you can say that again!!! :-)

but apparently Boris has adopted a "less
confrontational" approach which appears to be paying dividends.

Or, in the real world, Ken had already achieved it (Oyster was already
scheduled for roll-out on National Rail by 2009) but Boris took the
credit, and the Standard has let him get away with taking the credit.

Sorry, don't agree. No other TOC had signed up to Ken's proposals as
he refused to pay the entire cost of barrier & software installation.
And he was / Boris is unable to 'force' TOCs to accept it. I suspect
Boris is eithere paying or otherwise doing deals, which Ken refused to
do.


Still, I'm sure the London press will be happy to apply just the same
levels of scrutiny to the new mayor that it applied to his
predecessor. Oh yes.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot orgwww.johnband.org

On 13 May, 09:40, Chris wrote:
Or, in the real world, Ken had already achieved it (Oyster was already
scheduled for roll-out on National Rail by 2009) but Boris took the
credit, and the Standard has let him get away with taking the credit.

Sorry, don't agree. No other TOC had signed up to Ken's proposals as
he refused to pay the entire cost of barrier & software installation.
And he was / Boris is unable to 'force' TOCs to accept it. I suspect
Boris is eithere paying or otherwise doing deals, which Ken refused to
do.

Nonsense. Ken had offered to pay, he negotiated the just-announced
deal with FGW, and all the London TOCs had already agreed a 2009 roll-
out.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

In message
,
Chris writes

No other TOC had signed up to Ken's proposals as he refused to pay the
entire cost of barrier & software installation.

All of the TOCs had agreed in principle well over a year ago, and
several were totally "signed up" by February 2007. FCC released a press
statement on 30th January 2007 announcing a roll-out starting in 2009,
FGW made a similar announcement the next day, SWT was already obliged by
its franchise to do so, and all of the remainder confirmed their
intention to go ahead with Oyster PAYG within a matter of weeks.
Southern had made the commitment back in 2005 and at one time were
talking of a roll out in 2007 or soon after, although that seems to have
been delayed.
--
Paul Terry

On 12 May, 18:56, James Farrar wrote:
Ken was trying, but apparently Boris has adopted a "less
confrontational" approach which appears to be paying dividends.

FGW were already on side for a roll out this year, and Boris doesn't
seem any closer to an agreement with the other companies than Ken was,
so it's not entirely clear what he's meant to have achieved.

U

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