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Ludgate Hill/St Paul's
On May 20, 11:48 am, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 04:31:43PM +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 19 May 2008, David Cantrell wrote: Or have a sliding scale that makes a single violation, like what normal people might do occasionally, annoyingly expensive but tolerable, but for repeated violations (either on seperate days, or by seperate vehicles with the same owner) something that'll make the delivery companies' customers say "no thanks, you can deliver at 2am instead when you won't **** the buses up". Ah - having it affect the customer, not the company. Now *that* is a *brilliant* idea! I'm not sure quite how you'd do it, but it's applying the leverage to the people who are holding the purse strings. I meant that the deliveryco would get fined, but to pay them they'd have to put their delivery prices up and *that* will make their customers say no. So a shop that has been around for decades suddenly finds that TfL have painted a bus lane outside and the delivery van can no longer park there at any reasonable hour so both shop staff and driver have to get up in the small hours, Well thats fair isn't it. If I was running a delvery company I'd just buy all my trucks and vans in france or holland and run them over here on foreign plates parking when and where I pleased. B2003 |
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On Tue, 20 May 2008, Boltar wrote:
On May 20, 11:48 am, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 04:31:43PM +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 19 May 2008, David Cantrell wrote: Or have a sliding scale that makes a single violation, like what normal people might do occasionally, annoyingly expensive but tolerable, but for repeated violations (either on seperate days, or by seperate vehicles with the same owner) something that'll make the delivery companies' customers say "no thanks, you can deliver at 2am instead when you won't **** the buses up". Ah - having it affect the customer, not the company. Now *that* is a *brilliant* idea! I'm not sure quite how you'd do it, but it's applying the leverage to the people who are holding the purse strings. I meant that the deliveryco would get fined, but to pay them they'd have to put their delivery prices up and *that* will make their customers say no. Hmm. The fines would have to be pretty huge to make a difference to the price, once they'd been averaged out over all deliveries. So a shop that has been around for decades suddenly finds that TfL have painted a bus lane outside and the delivery van can no longer park there at any reasonable hour so both shop staff and driver have to get up in the small hours, Well thats fair isn't it. Tough ****. That road's needed for public transport - the shopkeeper doesn't get to hold up hundreds of people using it just so he can take a delivery. tom -- there is never a wrong time to have your bullets passing further into someone's face -- D |
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On May 20, 12:43 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2008, Boltar wrote: On May 20, 11:48 am, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 04:31:43PM +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: On Mon, 19 May 2008, David Cantrell wrote: Or have a sliding scale that makes a single violation, like what normal people might do occasionally, annoyingly expensive but tolerable, but for repeated violations (either on seperate days, or by seperate vehicles with the same owner) something that'll make the delivery companies' customers say "no thanks, you can deliver at 2am instead when you won't **** the buses up". Ah - having it affect the customer, not the company. Now *that* is a *brilliant* idea! I'm not sure quite how you'd do it, but it's applying the leverage to the people who are holding the purse strings. I meant that the deliveryco would get fined, but to pay them they'd have to put their delivery prices up and *that* will make their customers say no. Hmm. The fines would have to be pretty huge to make a difference to the price, once they'd been averaged out over all deliveries. So a shop that has been around for decades suddenly finds that TfL have painted a bus lane outside and the delivery van can no longer park there at any reasonable hour so both shop staff and driver have to get up in the small hours, Well thats fair isn't it. Tough ****. That road's needed for public transport - the shopkeeper Newsflash - Roads are needed for many things, public transport is just one amongst them. B2003 |
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On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 04:14:50AM -0700, Boltar wrote:
So a shop that has been around for decades suddenly finds that TfL have painted a bus lane outside and the delivery van can no longer park there at any reasonable hour so both shop staff and driver have to get up in the small hours, Well thats fair isn't it. Yes, it is fair, if the benefit of having the bus lane outweighs that of not having it. Do you really think that Fortnum and Mason's desire (they were founded quite a few decades ago) to have delivery lorries stop whenever they damned well feel like is more important than having a bus lane outside the shop? -- David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders" Deck of Cards: $1.29. "101 Solitaire Variations" book: $6.59. Cheap replacement for the one thing Windows is good at: priceless -- Shane Lazarus |
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Ludgate Hill/St Paul's
On May 21, 11:46 am, David Cantrell wrote:
Yes, it is fair, if the benefit of having the bus lane outweighs that of not having it. Says who? Do you really think that Fortnum and Mason's desire (they were founded quite a few decades ago) to have delivery lorries stop whenever they damned well feel like is more important than having a bus lane outside the shop? Frankly yes. If its a street with shops that street only exists because of those shops. And why pick on a posh shop like Fortnums? Why not use an example of a small shop owner who's already finding it hard to make ends meet and now can't have deliveries at any sane time of day just so a bus can save 30 seconds and get stuck in a queue 200 metres further down the road anyway? B2003 |
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Boltar wrote: On May 21, 11:46 am, David Cantrell wrote: Yes, it is fair, if the benefit of having the bus lane outweighs that of not having it. Says who? Society as a whole - in a rather roundabout way via the ballot box. Perhaps Boris will make some changes. -- Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3! -- Flash |
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On May 21, 8:33 pm, Mike Bristow wrote:
In article , Boltar wrote: On May 21, 11:46 am, David Cantrell wrote: Yes, it is fair, if the benefit of having the bus lane outweighs that of not having it. Says who? Society as a whole - in a rather roundabout way via the ballot box. I don't ever remember there being a referendum on bus lanes. B2003 |
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Boltar wrote: On May 21, 8:33 pm, Mike Bristow wrote: In article , Boltar wrote: [we should have bus lanes if they are a net benifit] Says who? Society as a whole - in a rather roundabout way via the ballot box. I don't ever remember there being a referendum on bus lanes. That's why I said "in a rather roundabout way". It's called representative democracy. To put it into practice: if you want fewer bus lanes, vote for a Brian Coleman. -- Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3! -- Flash |
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Ludgate Hill/St Paul's
On Thu, 22 May 2008 16:54:36 +0100, Mike Bristow wrote:
[we should have bus lanes if they are a net benifit] Says who? Society as a whole - in a rather roundabout way via the ballot box. I don't ever remember there being a referendum on bus lanes. That's why I said "in a rather roundabout way". It's called representative democracy. To put it into practice: if you want fewer bus lanes, vote for a Brian Coleman. Please can I move to your fantasy world where I get to vote for one candidate on issue A, another on issue B, a third on issue C...? |
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Ludgate Hill/St Paul's
On May 22, 4:54 pm, Mike Bristow wrote:
To put it into practice: if you want fewer bus lanes, vote for a Brian Coleman. I never said their should be fewer , but I think people on live or have businesses on the road should have grandfather rights to be able to park vehicles on it temporarily to unload or do deliveries. Just painting a bus lane then telling the shopkeepers to eff off and unload their vans elsewhere is just unhelpful and petty minded beaurocracy. B2003 |
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