On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:54:40 +0100, Peter Masson wrote:

During the planning of the Jubilee line extension, I'm wondering
whether there was ever any thought that provision might be made for
extended the line from Stratford Regional to Stratford Int'l? Though
when the JLE was being planned, I suppose the future existence of
Stratford Int'l was far from certain.

and it would have been far from trivial to get the Jubilee Line under the
GEML and to a terminus at Stratford International.

Erm, isn't that exactly what they're doing with the DLR? It will go
from Stratford LL (from what are currently the NLL platforms, right
next to the Jubilee) to Stratford International.

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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:54:40 +0100, Peter Masson wrote:

and it would have been far from trivial to get the Jubilee Line under the
GEML and to a terminus at Stratford International.

Erm, isn't that exactly what they're doing with the DLR? It will go
from Stratford LL (from what are currently the NLL platforms, right
next to the Jubilee) to Stratford International.

At the time there was no plan to truncate the NLL at Stratford, so the
existing hole under the GEML, now used by the NLL and to be used by the DLR,
would not have been available for the JLE. The JLE would have needed a new
tunnelled route under the GEML, with underground stations at Stratford
Regional and Stratford International.

peter

On 1 Jun, 18:07, asdf wrote:
Erm, isn't that exactly what they're doing with the DLR? It will go
from Stratford LL (from what are currently the NLL platforms, right
next to the Jubilee) to Stratford International.

The closure order for Stratford-North Woolwich hinged on reusing the
trackbed/platforms for the frequent direct replacement service between
the two the DLR would offer. If the plan was simply to close the whole
branch to commandeer one bridge, it wouldn't have been granted. Thus
the DLR between Stratford and City Airport is a pre-requisite of any
scheme using the Stratford Low Level bridge.

The only other scheme that would tick all the boxes would be building
the DLR link to Stratford but sending the Jubilee onwards to Stratford
International. This would have meant a very awkward layout for both
services at Stratford, and a much more expensive station at Stratford
International.

You've also got to remember that the DLR will link Stratford
International to many more deprived places in East London, while the
Jubilee fairly quickly heads off to Central London, which is already
served by St Pancras.

U

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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:00:19 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant wrote:

The only other scheme that would tick all the boxes would be building
the DLR link to Stratford but sending the Jubilee onwards to Stratford
International. This would have meant a very awkward layout for both
services at Stratford, and a much more expensive station at Stratford
International.

You've also got to remember that the DLR will link Stratford
International to many more deprived places in East London, while the
Jubilee fairly quickly heads off to Central London,

And Canary Wharf...

which is already served by St Pancras.

....which isn't.

How much regular use are people from said deprived areas going to make
of CTRL-DS services to Kent, compared with Kent inhabitants travelling
to Canary Wharf?

On 2 Jun, 00:22, asdf wrote:
You've also got to remember that the DLR will link Stratford
International to many more deprived places in East London, while the
Jubilee fairly quickly heads off to Central London,

And Canary Wharf...

which is already served by St Pancras.

...which isn't.

How much regular use are people from said deprived areas going to make
of CTRL-DS services to Kent, compared with Kent inhabitants travelling
to Canary Wharf?

I've lost track - how easy/hard will the change from DLR-International-
branch to DLR-Lewisham-branch or Jubilee be at Stratford Domestic? Any
cross-platforming...?

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On 2 Jun, 15:24, John B wrote:
I've lost track - how easy/hard will the change from DLR-International-
branch to DLR-Lewisham-branch or Jubilee be at Stratford Domestic? Any
cross-platforming...?

To the Lewisham branch will be up onto the mezzanine (escalator or
lift) and across to the existing station (shallow ramp). To the
Jubilee will be up the same way to the mezzanine and down (lift or
stairs). The only level interchange will be in the other direction
from Jubilee to northbound DLR International, although there may be a
long trek around the end of the buffer stops. I can't remember if
they're providing a footbridge further south.


U

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"John B" wrote in message
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I've lost track - how easy/hard will the change from DLR-International-
branch to DLR-Lewisham-branch or Jubilee be at Stratford Domestic? Any
cross-platforming...?


Southbound DLR will arrive just about where the NLL line arrives now. So it
will be up to the mezzanine level and either down again to the Jubilee or
along a bit to the current DLR platforms (those that opened last year).

The best interchange will be a northbound one from the Jubilee to the DLR
Stratford Int service.

Paul