On Nov 1, 10:25*am, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:41:46 -0700 (PDT), Boltar

wrote:
I always used to use my other halfs season ticket oyster if she didn't
need it that day. Why shouldn't they be transfered?

There is the other side of it, which is that if I forget my rail
season ticket, I can have the purchase of the necessary return ticket
refunded up to twice a year, and I can have it replaced for a nominal
fare if lost/stolen. *This wouldn't be possible with a transferrable
season ticket, as someone could entirely validly be using it[1], and
so another could be effectively obtained fraudulently.

The answer is to do as the Germans do, and offer the choice of
non-transferrable with that option, and transferrable without it.
Perhaps a slightly higher price could be charged for transferrable
tickets.

For weekly bus tickets costing 11 quid, this isn't a big issue. *For
an annual season costing thousands, it's a massive issue if you lost
the ability to have another issued for an admin fee if it was lost or
stolen.

[1] This could be where Oyster comes in, as the old one could be
blocked, so this might still be possible.

If it was a paper annual season, there would be a record of the ticket
number and it could be blocked.

When someone grabbed my annual season (possibly not deliberately) back
in the early 1990s I had a long discussion about it with BR where they
said that it was possible to look for a pattern of use (and hang out
ready to arrest someone?) and also possible to stop it from working
barriers.

I said why not do that then, but they said that they didn't do that in
case it caused a panic at the barrier. I thought that was completely
spurious, becuase as soon as it was known that stolen seasons don't
work the barriers people wouldn't bother stealing them.

On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:02:07 -0700 (PDT),
MIG wrote:

When someone grabbed my annual season (possibly not deliberately) back
in the early 1990s
Did you get it back nearly straight away?

My partner's father did exactly this to someone at Euston. He had a
single that got "eaten" by the barrier. He then waited because he was
expecting his ticket. The chap behind put in his gold card which Jen's
dad then took and walked off with it - leaving the gold card owner
stranded behind the barrier.

Fortunately, my girlfriend saw this happen and ran after her dad and got
the season ticket back.

My partner has had her single ticket "stolen" by someone at the Euston
barriers before as well. They've had an invalid ticket or someone else
wrong with it. She's put her ticket in immediately behind them and then
they've exited using her ticket leaving her with no ticket and no way
out.

Tim.


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On Nov 1, 1:20*pm, Tim Woodall wrote:
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:02:07 -0700 (PDT),
* * MIG wrote:

When someone grabbed my annual season (possibly not deliberately) back
in the early 1990s

Did you get it back nearly straight away?

My partner's father did exactly this to someone at Euston. *He had a
single that got "eaten" by the barrier. He then waited because he was
expecting his ticket. The chap behind put in his gold card which Jen's
dad then took and walked off with it - leaving the gold card owner
stranded behind the barrier.

Fortunately, my girlfriend saw this happen and ran after her dad and got
the season ticket back.

My partner has had her single ticket "stolen" by someone at the Euston
barriers before as well. They've had an invalid ticket or someone else
wrong with it. She's put her ticket in immediately behind them and then
they've exited using her ticket leaving her with no ticket and no way
out.

As I remember the procedure used to be that you had to turn up in
person at Cannon Street to face a humiliating interview with a
horrible man who obviously thought he was a TV cop, without any
inkling as to whether it would be replaced.

Explaining that you'd have to walk across London in your lunch break
because you have no travelcard, and that you need some idea whether
you ought to give up your job rather than run up a credit card bill
for daily travel, would not result in any clue as to whether you had a
hope of getting a replacement or refund.

In the end, I did get a replacement and refund for all the daily
tickets I'd had to buy with a credit card. I just wish they'd saved
me some stress by letting me know what was likely to happen.

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:20:04 GMT, Tim Woodall
wrote:

My partner has had her single ticket "stolen" by someone at the Euston
barriers before as well. They've had an invalid ticket or someone else
wrong with it. She's put her ticket in immediately behind them and then
they've exited using her ticket leaving her with no ticket and no way
out.

The only time that sort of thing has happened to me has involved
Oyster users, in which case there has been no loss of my ticket, and
I've been walking quickly enough that I've actually managed to
tailgate the offender through the barrier.

Neil

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