Tom Anderson wrote:


They can't really afford to lose a market at the moment, no matter how
minor.

Who's 'they'?

Camden

The Stables market has been demolished

No it hasn't.

Yes it has, all the arches have gone and are now a building site.

The Horse Hospital building doesn't have any stalls in any more, north
of the railway line all they have is a few stalls on the ramp bit
backing onto the road

In message , at 15:21:39 on Tue,
13 Jan 2009, Stuart remarked:
They can't really afford to lose a market at the moment, no matter
how minor.
Who's 'they'?

Camden

Camden what? Council, residents, visitors, traders...

--
Roland Perry

"Stuart" wrote ...
They can't really afford to lose a market at the moment, no matter how
minor.
Who's 'they'?

Camden

Huh?
Camden council?
Camden residents?

Neither gets much out of the markets; most Camden residents loathe the
filth, congestion and disruption and crime associated with the market.

Most of the 'customers', who throng in to buy tat at inflated prices, buy
drugs and shoplift, are not camden residents or council tax payers; few
spend much money in local shops (though the pubs do OK).

Very few of the stallholders have any local connection at all.

Camden council makes sympathetic noises because they daren't do anything
else, now that the market is part of "Ye Olde London", and has been for
about 15 years. But they'd probably be as pleased as the residents if they
didn't have to clean up after it, financed only in small part by the
business council tax the market yields.

I suspect Amy Whinehouse would be upset, but most things upset our Amy,
don't they?
--

Andrew

"If A is success in life, then A = x + y + z.
Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut." ~ Albert Einstein

In message , at 16:04:01 on Tue, 13
Jan 2009, Andrew Heenan remarked:
Camden council makes sympathetic noises because they daren't do anything
else, now that the market is part of "Ye Olde London", and has been for
about 15 years. But they'd probably be as pleased as the residents if they
didn't have to clean up after it, financed only in small part by the
business council tax the market yields.

Business rates collected by local councils are forwarded direct to the
Treasury, and grant money received by councils is based on a formula
that pays scant attention to their business rate revenue-raising
efforts.
--
Roland Perry

Andrew Heenan wrote:

Neither gets much out of the markets; most Camden residents loathe the
filth, congestion and disruption and crime associated with the market.

Most of the 'customers', who throng in to buy tat at inflated prices, buy
drugs and shoplift, are not camden residents or council tax payers; few
spend much money in local shops (though the pubs do OK).

Very few of the stallholders have any local connection at all.

Camden council makes sympathetic noises because they daren't do anything
else, now that the market is part of "Ye Olde London", and has been for
about 15 years. But they'd probably be as pleased as the residents if they
didn't have to clean up after it, financed only in small part by the
business council tax the market yields.

I suspect Amy Whinehouse would be upset, but most things upset our Amy,
don't they?

In that case, if the people of Camden don't care about what they have
then they should demolish the whole place and build a Westfield
there.... a huge glass bland shopping mall full of all identikit shops.
Then replace all the bars and pubs with Wetherspoons and Slug and
Lettuces. It'll be boring as hell

The problem with London in the last few years is that anything with
character is being removed and replaced by offices and Starbucks and
plain blandity

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Stuart wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

They can't really afford to lose a market at the moment, no matter how
minor.

Who's 'they'?

Camden

Camden is a 'where', not a 'they'. Were you thinking of some specific
group of people in Camden?

The Stables market has been demolished

No it hasn't.

Yes it has, all the arches have gone and are now a building site.

The Horse Hospital building doesn't have any stalls in any more, north
of the railway line all they have is a few stalls on the ramp bit
backing onto the road

It's a lot more than a few. There are also places underneath the Horse
Hospital.

And the stuff that has been demolished was 'temporary' stalls, not
original fabric. That's still there, and will once again be housing stalls
when the redevelopment is finished. Now, i could be completely wrong and
wildly optimistic about what the nature of those stalls will be, but i
think it's still going to be Camden, just more of it. We'll have to wait
and see, won't we?

tom

--
But in natural sciences whose conclusions are true and necessary and
have nothing to do with human will, one must take care not to place
oneself in the defence of error; for here a thousand Demostheneses and
a thousand Aristotles would be left in the lurch by every mediocre wit
who happened to hit upon the truth for himself. -- Galileo

Tom Anderson wrote:

And the stuff that has been demolished was 'temporary' stalls, not
original fabric.

All the arches have gone, that was all brick structure and housed the
furniture stalls... if that's not 'fabric' i dunno what is

That's still there, and will once again be housing
stalls when the redevelopment is finished. Now, i could be completely
wrong and wildly optimistic about what the nature of those stalls will
be, but i think it's still going to be Camden, just more of it. We'll
have to wait and see, won't we?

It's going to be a load of bland (and presumably now, empty) shop units
isn't it?