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On 13 Jan, 19:03, Tom Barry wrote:

Recliner wrote:
The BBC local London news featured the Ealing ghost bus at 18:45 today.
For once, the bus wasn't empty, but wasn't overloaded either. One of the
pax who was interviewed was complimentary about the comfortable, modern
(06 registered) coach, complete with toilet.

Hrmph. *It also featured me being interviewed. *Is a bus more
interesting? *Actually, don't answer that.

Seriously, it would be slightly ironic if the result of the advertising
about this apparently wasteful policy (I'm not sure how much it costs
compared to three sets of closure proceedings) was that it became well
patronised. *There may well be demand for such services on routes where
the rail journey isn't particularly straightforward but normal buses
stop too frequently to be convenient end to end.

We could call it integrated transport.


Keep your one there-and-back service a week version of integrated
transport to yourself please! I'll opt for the rather straightforward
integrated transport solution of taking a train from Wandsworth Road
to Victoria then the District line direct to Ealing Broadway.

Want Kensington Olympia? Well take the District line and change at
Earls Court for KO, or catching the Circle line from Victoria to High
Street Kensington (just up the road from KO), or taking the train from
nearby Queenstown Road Battersea or Battersea Park to Clapham Junction
and catching a train up the WLL to KO, or taking the 453 bus that
starts at Wandsworth Road over the river and up to Kensington...

Anyway, the idea of having express bus routes (more than the meagre
three current ones) was actually championed by your best mate Boris
during the election!

By the by, can you buy booze on the coach? If not it's got nothing on
the withdrawn XC service! It was enjoyable buying and then cracking
open a can of booze on the XC service as it stood at KO, what with it
being managed by London Overground and hence subject to the TfL booze
ban.

One can still crack open a tinny when on a Southern train (on which
Boris writ does not extend to) which stops at Shepherd's Bush, KO and
West Brompton - all LO stations (well West Brompton is actually
managed by LU) - though one cannot buy said tinny on the train. I'm
not quite sure what happens if you were to alight that train with can
in hand - would you immediately become an illegal booze hound? I do
find the notion of these separate jurisdictions entertaining - the
'City Limits' end when one gets on a Southern train etc!

On 13 Jan, 19:44, Mizter T wrote:

(snip)

Keep your one there-and-back service a week version of integrated
transport to yourself please! I'll opt for the rather straightforward
integrated transport solution of taking a train from Wandsworth Road
to Victoria then the District line direct to Ealing Broadway.

Want Kensington Olympia? Well take the District line and change at
Earls Court for KO, or catching the Circle line from Victoria to High
Street Kensington (just up the road from KO), or taking the train from
nearby Queenstown Road Battersea or Battersea Park to Clapham Junction
and catching a train up the WLL to KO, or taking the 453 bus that
starts at Wandsworth Road over the river and up to Kensington...

[...]

Spot the drafting error... or should that be spotting the drafting
error. My tenses obviously got somewhat muddled!

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Mizter T wrote:

On 13 Jan, 19:44, Mizter T wrote:

Keep your one there-and-back service a week version of integrated
transport to yourself please! I'll opt for the rather straightforward
integrated transport solution of taking a train from Wandsworth Road to
Victoria then the District line direct to Ealing Broadway.

Want Kensington Olympia? Well take the District line and change at
Earls Court for KO, or catching the Circle line from Victoria to High
Street Kensington (just up the road from KO), or taking the train from
nearby Queenstown Road Battersea or Battersea Park to Clapham Junction
and catching a train up the WLL to KO, or taking the 453 bus that
starts at Wandsworth Road over the river and up to Kensington...

Spot the drafting error... or should that be spotting the drafting
error. My tenses obviously got somewhat muddled!

I don't know about that, but your later remarks about tinnies were
certainly a draughting error.

tom

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who happened to hit upon the truth for himself. -- Galileo

On 13 Jan, 21:16, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Mizter T wrote:

On 13 Jan, 19:44, Mizter T wrote:

Keep your one there-and-back service a week version of integrated
transport to yourself please! I'll opt for the rather straightforward
integrated transport solution of taking a train from Wandsworth Road to
Victoria then the District line direct to Ealing Broadway.

Want Kensington Olympia? Well take the District line and change at
Earls Court for KO, or catching the Circle line from Victoria to High
Street Kensington (just up the road from KO), or taking the train from
nearby Queenstown Road Battersea or Battersea Park to Clapham Junction
and catching a train up the WLL to KO, or taking the 453 bus that
starts at Wandsworth Road over the river and up to Kensington...

Spot the drafting error... or should that be spotting the drafting
error. My tenses obviously got somewhat muddled!

I don't know about that, but your later remarks about tinnies were
certainly a draughting error.


Excellent.

So, has a (moving) train ever offered proper draught beer on tap?
Would it even work? Me thinks it might somewhat unsettle the beer...
...sound of head scratching head whilst trying and failing to think
of a pun, any pun to do with the S&CR that would make the vaguest bit
of sense... ...

Actually I wouldn't past it these railtour mobs to have done just
that. Can anyone confirm or deny?

In message
Mizter T wrote:


On 13 Jan, 21:16, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Mizter T wrote:

On 13 Jan, 19:44, Mizter T wrote:

Keep your one there-and-back service a week version of integrated
transport to yourself please! I'll opt for the rather straightforward
integrated transport solution of taking a train from Wandsworth Road to
Victoria then the District line direct to Ealing Broadway.

Want Kensington Olympia? Well take the District line and change at
Earls Court for KO, or catching the Circle line from Victoria to High
Street Kensington (just up the road from KO), or taking the train from
nearby Queenstown Road Battersea or Battersea Park to Clapham Junction
and catching a train up the WLL to KO, or taking the 453 bus that
starts at Wandsworth Road over the river and up to Kensington...

Spot the drafting error... or should that be spotting the drafting
error. My tenses obviously got somewhat muddled!

I don't know about that, but your later remarks about tinnies were
certainly a draughting error.


Excellent.

So, has a (moving) train ever offered proper draught beer on tap?
Would it even work? Me thinks it might somewhat unsettle the beer...

Both the Worth Valley and the Watercress Line regularly serve draught beer on
the move. My father used to reminisce about the draught beer he got on the
train from Scotland to London when coming home on leave during the war.


--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

On 13 Jan, 22:52, Graeme Wall wrote:

In message
* * * * * Mizter T wrote:

On 13 Jan, 21:16, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Mizter T wrote:

(snip)

Spot the drafting error... or should that be spotting the drafting
error. My tenses obviously got somewhat muddled!

I don't know about that, but your later remarks about tinnies were
certainly a draughting error.

Excellent.

So, has a (moving) train ever offered proper draught beer on tap?
Would it even work? Me thinks it might somewhat unsettle the beer...

Both the Worth Valley and the Watercress Line regularly serve draught beer on
the move. *My father used to reminisce about the draught beer he got on the
train from Scotland to London when coming home on leave during the war.


Shows how much I know then! I suspect there are more such corrections
on the way...

Dare I be so bold as to enquire where and with whom you're father was
stationed, out of nothing more than idle curiosity?

"Mizter T" wrote

So, has a (moving) train ever offered proper draught beer on tap?

I don't know how proper it was, but HST buffets offered draught beer when
they were first introduced. IIRC it didn't lasst long.

Peter

"Peter Masson" wrote...
So, has a (moving) train ever offered proper draught beer on tap?
I don't know how proper it was, but HST buffets offered draught beer when
they were first introduced. IIRC it didn't lasst long.

And I'm sure I've read about some of the 'heritage' lines running beer
trains, I think it was in the west country, somewhere ..

.... and I'm talking about draught beer, not carbonated keg red barrel (or
similar), which was all you ever got on InterCity ;o)
--

Andrew

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:09:19 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote

So, has a (moving) train ever offered proper draught beer on tap?

I don't know how proper it was, but HST buffets offered draught beer when
they were first introduced. IIRC it didn't lasst long.

I knew a chap who was involved with that . Travelers Fare wanted metered
dispense which those old enough will remember as being common back in
the 1970's . This was so that they could use oversize glasses which
would mean less spillage than from a measure to the brim glass. A
reasonable consideration on a moving train. The electronic beer meters
proved unreliable on the unstable power supply available which is why it
did not last long.

Did they consider oversize glasses with a line at the appropriate level?

tom

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Re-enacting the future

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, at
14:07:48 on Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Mizter T remarked:
So, has a (moving) train ever offered proper draught beer on tap?
Would it even work? Me thinks it might somewhat unsettle the beer...

It's possible to decant draft beer, especially if you know it's going to
be consumed in the next day or two.
--
Roland Perry