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On Apr 2, 7:41 pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Some 1940-1946 airliners, eg DC-3s Dakotas C-47s remain in constant
daily use even if this is sightseeing.

Not in the UK any more.

They were stopped last year. I'm not sure the precise reason but AIUI
it was a CAA directive or similar.

The reason given (which may or may not be entirely true) was an EU
safety directive which has all sorts of sensible rules when applied to
modern airliners, but most of which would irrelevant to Dakotas.
However, I suspect that if they were making enough money from them to
care, they'd have found a loophole or two.

Would have required serious mods to the airframe which would have
compromised originality - another pointer to these machines being
preserved.

More to the point, the original Boeing 737 and DC-9 airliners were
introduced at the same time as the 1967 stock. I don't think any of
those early models remain in service. The Boeing 747 came along a couple
of years later, and all of its early examples are also long-retired.

To be fair, the weeking out of early 737s, DC9s, 727s and others (BAC-111,
De Havilland Gripper^W Trident) was more down to airport noise
restrictions than anything else. If the same had been applied to the
railways we'd have seen the back of pretty much any locomotive pre-Class
60 (and probably HST to boot) at the same time..

The airliner (well, feederliner) of that era which /is/ still going, and
with many of the early examples still in use (I think..)

And I can't remember when I last saw a first generation Ford Escort from
the same era.

Ooh. 10:40 today. White Mk.1, only mildly rally-modded.

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Andrew Robert Breen wrote:
In article ,
Recliner wrote:

More to the point, the original Boeing 737 and DC-9 airliners were
introduced at the same time as the 1967 stock. I don't think any of
those early models remain in service. The Boeing 747 came along a couple
of years later, and all of its early examples are also long-retired.

snip..

The airliner (well, feederliner) of that era which /is/ still going, and
with many of the early examples still in use (I think..)

Duh. Forgot to finish sentence. Posting while very very tired.

it should have continued..

"is the Brittan-Norman Trislander, which still seems to be doing stuff up
in Scotland, just like they were in the mid-70s.

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On Apr 2, 9:01 pm, (Andrew Robert Breen) wrote:

And, so far as passenger flights go, Air Atlantique has been analogous to
preserved-power railtours for a very long time. IIRC the last scheduled

Yep, I did x3 DC3 20 min trips from Luton 1993/1994 for £10 a throw.

Still prefer Viscounts )

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Nick

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On Apr 2, 7:41 pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Some 1940-1946 airliners, eg DC-3s Dakotas C-47s remain in constant
daily use even if this is sightseeing.

Not in the UK any more.

They were stopped last year. I'm not sure the precise reason but AIUI
it was a CAA directive or similar.

A European Safety directive I believe, which required the fitting of
safety slides (even though the passenger door is only 4ft above the
ground) and oxygen masks (even though it is an unpressurised airliner
and never flies high enough to require oxygen)!

Air Atlantique, the sole UK DC3/C47 operator made a large number of
farewell flights to mark this.

Photos at Teesside airport at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmdoubl...7605607576715/

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Rail and transport photos at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmdoubl...7603834894248/

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On Apr 2, 7:41 pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Some 1940-1946 airliners, eg DC-3s Dakotas C-47s remain in constant
daily use even if this is sightseeing.

Not in the UK any more.

They were stopped last year. I'm not sure the precise reason but AIUI
it was a CAA directive or similar.

No longer met standards for safe evacuation in emergencies.

Air Atlantique, the sole UK DC3/C47 operator made a large number of
farewell flights to mark this.

And, so far as passenger flights go, Air Atlantique has been analogous to
preserved-power railtours for a very long time. IIRC the last scheduled
services with the Gooneys were in '83 or so (when they lost a mail
contract - to rail, as it happened).


They continued doing oil slick survey work for a number of years. Used to
see them coming in and out of Eastleigh on a fairly regular basis possibly up
to the mid 90s.

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Graeme Wall

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(Andrew Robert Breen) wrote:

In article ,
Andrew Robert Breen wrote:
In article ,
Recliner wrote:

More to the point, the original Boeing 737 and DC-9 airliners were
introduced at the same time as the 1967 stock. I don't think any of
those early models remain in service. The Boeing 747 came along a couple
of years later, and all of its early examples are also long-retired.

snip..

The airliner (well, feederliner) of that era which /is/ still going, and
with many of the early examples still in use (I think..)

Duh. Forgot to finish sentence. Posting while very very tired.

it should have continued..

"is the Brittan-Norman Trislander, which still seems to be doing stuff up
in Scotland, just like they were in the mid-70s.


Air Aurigny, or its successor, still operate one between Southampton and
Alderney, or were till recently.

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rail wrote:

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(Andrew Robert Breen) wrote:

In article ,
Andrew Robert Breen wrote:
In article ,
Recliner wrote:

More to the point, the original Boeing 737 and DC-9 airliners were
introduced at the same time as the 1967 stock. I don't think any of
those early models remain in service. The Boeing 747 came along a couple
of years later, and all of its early examples are also long-retired.

snip..

The airliner (well, feederliner) of that era which /is/ still going, and
with many of the early examples still in use (I think..)

Duh. Forgot to finish sentence. Posting while very very tired.

it should have continued..

"is the Brittan-Norman Trislander, which still seems to be doing stuff up
in Scotland, just like they were in the mid-70s.


Air Aurigny, or its successor, still operate one between Southampton and
Alderney, or were till recently.


Quick follow up, they still operate a fleet of 8 apparently.

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Graeme Wall

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Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

peter wrote:
I was a teenager in London when the Victoria line opened, and I can
remember how disconcerting it was to see a train enter the station
with the "driver" sitting back and not touching any of the controls
(or turning and talking to his mate) - yes, they were all men then and
by memory there were often two of them in the drivers cab.

Peter

I remember, on one occasion, seeing the "driver" reading a newspaper as
the train entered the platform.

--
John Ray

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(Recliner) wrote:

More to the point, the original Boeing 737 and DC-9 airliners were
introduced at the same time as the 1967 stock. I don't think any of
those early models remain in service. The Boeing 747 came along a
couple of years later, and all of its early examples are also
long-retired. And I can't remember when I last saw a first
generation Ford Escort from the same era.

There are still Routemaster buses in service that predate the 1967 tube
stock. What is more remarkable is that the design life of a tube train is
more than double that of a bus.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:15:11 +0100, Jeremy Double
wrote:

A European Safety directive I believe, which required the fitting of
safety slides (even though the passenger door is only 4ft above the
ground) and oxygen masks (even though it is an unpressurised airliner
and never flies high enough to require oxygen)!

Surely not masks? The KLM/VLM Fokker 50s don't have masks, I believe
as they don't fly high enough to need them. (This causes the safety
demonstration to be oddly short).

Neil

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