"Clive" wrote in message
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You want to try and lance my car whilst I'm driving it and I'll just laugh
as I see you sat on your saddle going backwards at 30mph whilst impaled
by my car. Makes me laugh just thinking about it.

I think you have demonstrated the very root of the problem which cyclists
have.

"Tom Crispin" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:58:49 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

I think that you are wrong on both counts.

Reality check! Have a look at the posting attributes.

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:19:54 GMT someone who may be "neverwas"
wrote this:-

It's bad enough having getting
scratched, bruise and punched now when daring to use a pedestrian
crossing or controlled crossing in a manner which might require a
cyclist to extend his (or very rarely her) journey by 5 seconds.

Every time (at least so far) that I have nearly been struck on
pedestrian crossings the criminal has ben a motorist.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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David Hansen wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:19:54 GMT someone who may be "neverwas"
wrote this:-

It's bad enough having getting
scratched, bruise and punched now when daring to use a pedestrian
crossing or controlled crossing in a manner which might require a
cyclist to extend his (or very rarely her) journey by 5 seconds.

Every time (at least so far) that I have nearly been struck on
pedestrian crossings the criminal has ben a motorist.


Are you sure it isn't your attitude? I've been driving cars/
riding bicycles and m/bikes for over 40 yrs and only ever
encountered 'one' stroppy motorist,who seemed to have a srew loose.

Bod

David Hansen gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

Every time (at least so far) that I have nearly been struck on
pedestrian crossings the criminal has ben a motorist.

That's odd. For me it's been almost 100% cyclists.

"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:19:54 GMT someone who may be "neverwas"
wrote this:-

It's bad enough having getting
scratched, bruise and punched now when daring to use a pedestrian
crossing or controlled crossing in a manner which might require a
cyclist to extend his (or very rarely her) journey by 5 seconds.

Every time (at least so far) that I have nearly been struck on
pedestrian crossings the criminal has ben a motorist.

It's not uncommon for motorists to fail to stop at zebra crossings when you
are standing at the crossing waiting to cross. But the only time I've
actually been *on* the crossing when a vehicle has crossed right in front of
me, it was a cyclist. An HGV had stopped so I started to cross, when a
cyclist appeared from the far side of the HGV (therefore he overtook on the
zig zag markings), swerved round me and swore at me for making him nearly
hit the illuminated "keep left" bollard on the central island.

There seems to be a small minority of cyclists who are so arrogant that they
think that they do not need to stop for anything, ever. They give the vast
majority of safe, courteous cyclists a bad name.

Marc wrote:
Roger Thorpe wrote:
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Brimstone wrote:
Marz wrote:
On Apr 14, 2:16 pm, "pk" wrote:
"Ian F." wrote in message
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"Graculus" wrote in message
I'm a cyclist, but am more than willing to shoulder charge any
cyclist who cycles across a crossing while I have the green man.

pk
Risky, I'm 16 stone and I average 20-21mph on the road. You don't want
to shoulder charge me mate!

If he's 23 stone then you should end up on the floor, with any luck.

I don't think he has to be as heavy as that. Some of us will remember
how a small boy was able to bring down Lance Armstrong. It doesn't
need much of a push on the handlebars to put you on the floor.


Wasn't that because his bars got hooked on a stationary object ( the
boy) by a ligature ( the mussett )?

I think it would have been different if the boy had been in front of
Lance. Unless I'm thinking af a different occasion?

Yes, that's how I remember it. It does demonstrate how little force (or
stationary mass) is needed.
Roger Thorpe

Steve Firth wrote:

I do find it mildly amusing that cyclists whine on (and on and on) about
*their* safety but are such aggressive ****s when it comes to their
interaction with pedestrians.

Your error here is to group all cyclists as a homogeneous group. The
cyclists trying to improve safety are not the same as the aggressive
pedestrian intimidating ones.
Roger Thorpe

Roger Thorpe gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

I do find it mildly amusing that cyclists whine on (and on and on)
about *their* safety but are such aggressive ****s when it comes to
their interaction with pedestrians.

Your error here is to group all cyclists as a homogeneous group. The
cyclists trying to improve safety are not the same as the aggressive
pedestrian intimidating ones.

I idly wonder whether that logic could also be used to apply to other
groups of vehicle users...?

In article ,
(mileburner) wrote:

AIUI there has been at least one fatal accident where the cyclist
is legitimately waiting for a green light while sitting in a cycle
lane. By the placement of these lanes, the cyclist is encouraged to
filter through traffic on the wrong side. ISTM that the problem is
largely due to cycling in the gutter, alongside the traffic (esp.
where there are HGVs turning).

There was another just outside Cambridge a year or so ago. The cyclist was
in a cycle lane and a lorry turned left across her.

--
Colin Rosenstiel