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East London Line Ex Ph 2 funding deal / loss of Vic - Bellinghamservice
On Apr 23, 2:41*pm, Mizter T wrote: On Apr 23, 1:10 pm, Paul Corfield wrote: Some very interesting details in two articles in Transport Briefing about the ELLX Phase 2 funding deal and consequential reductions in NR services. *Also the new Shoreditch Station is to be in Zone 1 as demanded by the DfT. More details here http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=5821 http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/story.php?id=5820 Disappointing news on both fronts, though I can't say I'm entirely surprised - I am however somewhat annoyed at the loss of the Victoria to Bellingham service. I'm afraid I always thought there was a possibility that Shoreditch High Street would be a zone 1 station - though more because of concerns about ELLX trains - which will only be 4 cars long - potentially being overrun with commuters switching to this cheaper zone 2 option instead of travelling into London Bridge as they would otherwise have done. I hate to say it, but perhaps just perhaps this is ultimately for the best. Nonetheless it may well mean there's no price advantage to avoiding travelling via central London and the Tube (one of the benefits of the ELLX is that of taking some pressure off the Tube network) - that said, this does somewhat depends on what the Oyster PAYG fare structure will be when the whole of National Rail in London joins in, as an NR+LU journey may be more expensive than an LU journey (and in all likelihood London Overground inc. the ELLX would follow the LU PAYG farescale as opposed to the NR one). Of course if one has a season Travelcard then this doesn't matter - however it can be the case that some commutes are cheaper using Oyster PAYG than with a season Travelcard. A few follow on thoughts about Shoreditch High Street (SHS) being put in zone 1. One thing I'd failed to include in my considerations above is the rail-only season ticket. Therefore, were SHS to have been in zone 2, then the calculation for price-conscious City commuters may have been between a rail-only season from say Sydenham to London Terminals (i.e. London Bridge/ Cannon Street) and either a season Travelcard (covering whatever zones were needed but excluding expensive z1) or Oyster PAYG single fares, whichever is the cheaper. The other possibility is that of a rail-only season to SHS or other stations on the ELL 'core' route (which is still a possibility now that SHS will be in z1) - however whether there will be rail-only seasons to these stations is an unknown. It would perhaps be against TfL's ethos of encouraging the use of (a) multi-modal Travelcards and (b) Oyster PAYG - however, if the ELLX is to be a full part of the National Rail ticketing arrangements then it would perhaps make sense. The other thought I've just had is whether or not SHS would be classified as a 'London Terminal' - which is particularly relevant for journeys from south London, as it could mean that commuters could choose between heading to London Bridge/Cannon Street or SHS to get to the City. If it was also a 'London Terminal' for journeys from points north then I suppose there'd be the possibility of all sorts of wacky potential routes - arguably that's one good reason for it not to be! However what with all this talk of concern about revenue abstraction from the TOCs, I think it unlikely that it would be a 'London Terminal' even for journeys from south London - from a planning point of view, separating out flows to and from London Bridge etc and SHS can be seen as being advantageous too. Whilst as I said there is perhaps some sort of argument for having SHS in zone 1 when it comes to commuting (i.e. trains that aren't heaving with zone 1 avoiding commuters), it will surely suffer from that when it comes to off-peak leisure journeys. I suppose it'll have to stand on its own merits as an easier and more convenient way of crossing town, rather than as a cheaper way. Looks like my cunning zone 1-shirking north-south route via the back streets of Whitechapel and Bethnal Green (between the stations of the same name) might get a renewed lease of life as a result of this! |
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