Mizter T wrote:

This service will fulfil the requirement to keep this route served by
passenger trains - in other words it'll be a parliamentary train, in
the modern meaning of the phrase. Thus it will replace the so called
'Ghost Bus' rail-replacement bus service between Wandsworth Road and
Kensington Olympia, though the aforementioned bus will have to
continue serving the remainder of the route from Kensington Olympia to
Ealing Broadway so as to (supposedly) 'cover' the other two stretches
of line that the XC service used to traverse.

AIUI under the new south central franchise (i.e. what is currently
Southern), the franchisee will be required to operate a service or
services that cover all the relevant lines between Wandsworth Road,
Kensington Olympia and Ealing Broadway - so they'll either need to
send a class 171 Turbostar up to do this or come to some arrangement
with FGW to provide a service/ unit for this (as parts of the route
from Kenny O to Ealing Broadway lack not only juice rails, but juice
wires too).


As I noted in the last discussions about this, there seems little reason why
the Shepherds Bush to Ealing Broadway stretch cannot just be delegated to
the LU Central line. It is basically what they've just done with Farringdon
to Moorgate after all, so is a sure sign they just can't be bothered to go
through the closure procedures.

As you rightly say, the trains that are missing ran Reading - Kenny O -
Gatwick. This half baked palliative is fairly pointless on its own - I hope
when the full timetable becomes clear they aren't actually running ECS in
the opposite direction, but that the opposite moves are part of the
bigger WLL picture, ie peak extras...

Paul S

On Apr 30, 1:31*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
This service will fulfil the requirement to keep this route served by
passenger trains - in other words it'll be a parliamentary train, in
the modern meaning of the phrase. Thus it will replace the so called
'Ghost Bus' rail-replacement bus service between Wandsworth Road and
Kensington Olympia, though the aforementioned bus will have to
continue serving the remainder of the route from Kensington Olympia to
Ealing Broadway so as to (supposedly) 'cover' the other two stretches
of line that the XC service used to traverse.

AIUI under the new south central franchise (i.e. what is currently
Southern), the franchisee will be required to operate a service or
services that cover all the relevant lines between Wandsworth Road,
Kensington Olympia and Ealing Broadway - so they'll either need to
send a class 171 Turbostar up to do this or come to some arrangement
with FGW to provide a service/ unit for this (as parts of the route
from Kenny O to Ealing Broadway lack not only juice rails, but juice
wires too).

As I noted in the last discussions about this, there seems little reason why
the Shepherds Bush to Ealing Broadway stretch cannot just be delegated to
the LU Central line. *It is basically what they've just done with Farringdon
to Moorgate after all, so is a sure sign they just can't be bothered to go
through the closure procedures.

Indeed. Presumably the reason why the Central line can't cover this
stretch is that it doesn't actually traverse the relevant stretches of
railway line - of course neither does the bus, but then there were
some suggestions that long-term bustitution of such lines is of
questionably legality anyway.

(Just for the sake of clarity, Farringdon to Moorgate did go through a
proper closure procedure, but the existence of alternative LU services
meant this wasn't massively controversial.)


As you rightly say, the trains that are missing ran Reading - Kenny O -
Gatwick. This half baked palliative is fairly pointless on its own - I hope
when the full timetable becomes clear they aren't actually running ECS in
the opposite direction, but that the opposite moves are part of the
bigger WLL picture, ie peak extras...

Quite.

The problematic service that the new south central franchisee will
apparently be required to provide is that of KO to Ealing Broadway - I
can't really see how that could neatly fit in with the positioning
moves of Southern's 171s, FGW's 165/166 Turbos could do it but I doubt
they'd exactly be keen to do so.

It all just comes across as rather daft.

"Mizter T" wrote

The problematic service that the new south central franchisee will
apparently be required to provide is that of KO to Ealing Broadway - I
can't really see how that could neatly fit in with the positioning
moves of Southern's 171s, FGW's 165/166 Turbos could do it but I doubt
they'd exactly be keen to do so.

It wouldn't be impossible for FGW say to divert the 2153 from Greenford to
KO, then returning to Ealing Broadway and ecs to wherever it goes for the
night (Reading?), if necessary covering the last Acton Main Line to
Paddington service with an extra stop by a train up from Reading. Would need
165s to be cleared to KO, if they aren't already, and FGW train crews to be
route trained.

Peter