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Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:53:49 +0000, Paul Weaver
wrote: On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 13:39:01 +0000, Niklas Karlsson wrote: (From the CIA World Factbook website) The anti-car brigade here don't believe in the CIA factbook Its all part of a giant conspiracy doncha know. greg -- $ReplyAddress =~ s#\@.*$##; # Delete everything after the '@' The Following is a true story..... Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty. |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 15:02:52 +0000, Greg Hennessy wrote:
On 2 Nov 2003 11:32:26 GMT, (Huge) wrote: Less than 3% of this country is built on *in* *total*. And most of that is housing. And around 15% of the area within 1 hours commute from central London. Of course if one was to believe the CPRE nimbys, one would think that all of the SE was like downtown Hong Kong. I heard/read an interesting Fact on one of ken's propaganda things that London was about 40% green area. Is that true? |
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 15:47:09 +0000, Paul Weaver
wrote: I heard/read an interesting Fact on one of ken's propaganda things that London was about 40% green area. Is that true? I could well believe it. What the luftwaffe didn't get round to flattening, post war idiocy in the name of 'progress' surely did. While the rest of europe rebuilt its cities street by street to the way they were on 1st sept 1939. Here we had the deliberate destruction of whole communities to make way for tower blocks. Take a wander round the centre of Plymouth sometime, or gaze upon the **** hole that is Stevenage to see what policy that gave us. What's worse are the worthies who demand that such monstrosities be 'listed'. greg -- $ReplyAddress =~ s#\@.*$##; # Delete everything after the '@' The Following is a true story..... Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty. |
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In message , Chris Jones
writes Surely new roads giving people new possibilities to travel, meet friends and relatives, and go for days out should be celebrated? After all, that means our standard of living has increased, surely. New roads promise the idea of emancipation, when they really only offer a new version of hell. 1. Any new road is quickly filled by drivers doing exactly what you're doing; taking advantage of a supposedly easier way to travel from 'here' to 'there'. 2. New roads cost. Not just the building cost, but all those other factors: loss of trade to local shops, loss of views, communities cut off from each other, and my favourite bete-noire - the bloody noise! There are vast areas of Southern England where it's now impossible to get away from the sound of cars and motor-bikes screaming along at top speed (a jam on the M25 now provides a gentle respite for the communities alongside it - say anywhere up to 3 miles away). 3. Older road-planing cost us loads. The way roads are/were costed was to value the land, meaning it was always cheaper to go though areas which weren't farmland or housing. Trouble was, in these over-crowded islands, that meant the areas that were cheapest were also the areas that benefited least from roads: common land, woodland, SSI, etc. Still, it gives a nice view from the car, doesn't it? -- Martin @ Strawberry Hill |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
Usenet wrote:
In message , Chris Jones writes Surely new roads giving people new possibilities to travel, meet friends and relatives, and go for days out should be celebrated? After all, that means our standard of living has increased, surely. New roads promise the idea of emancipation, when they really only offer a new version of hell. 1. Any new road is quickly filled by drivers doing exactly what you're doing; taking advantage of a supposedly easier way to travel from 'here' to 'there'. 2. New roads cost. Not just the building cost, but all those other factors: loss of trade to local shops, loss of views, communities cut off from each other, and my favourite bete-noire - the bloody noise! There are vast areas of Southern England where it's now impossible to get away from the sound of cars and motor-bikes screaming along at top speed (a jam on the M25 now provides a gentle respite for the communities alongside it - say anywhere up to 3 miles away). 3. Older road-planing cost us loads. The way roads are/were costed was to value the land, meaning it was always cheaper to go though areas which weren't farmland or housing. Trouble was, in these over-crowded islands, that meant the areas that were cheapest were also the areas that benefited least from roads: common land, woodland, SSI, etc. Still, it gives a nice view from the car, doesn't it? Please state the roads that you believe shouldn't have been built. Then propose the idea to the residents of the towns that have been bypassed. I can say with confidence that you will not get an enthusiastic reception. -- http://www.speedlimit.org.uk "If laws are to be respected, they must be worthy of respect." |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
"iantheengineer" wrote in message
... To continue to build roads will continue the problem. The answer is puvblic transport, but public transport cannot cater for all journeys and therefore over time journeys will need to become more corridored. For example go into any city during the am peak and the tidality of the flow is there to be seen. IF we were to get all of the people from their cars onto public transport, or even better living nearer to the workplace, the congestion would be far less. cars. Without cars on the urban road network public transport would be faster and more reliable. How fast would urban public transport be with no cars on the road? (and no vans, cycles, taxis etc. if that helps). |
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"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
.. . I heard/read an interesting Fact on one of ken's propaganda things that London was about 40% green area. Is that true? If you keep a good watch on the approach to Heathrow from the east, you will see a surprising amount of green areas, even near the centre. -- Terry Harper http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
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"Paul Weaver" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:32:48 +0000, iantheengineer wrote: Out of this sprang the unions who fought for rights that the blues now take for granted. Without struggle pain and suffereing on the shoulders of others they would not have their nice cushly lifestyles now. However they seem to believe that this would have happened anyway, from what catalyst??? You dont get it do you. Don't like your job or conditions? Hand in your notice and LEVAE. If everyone did that (of their own free will) then companies have to change. If they don't then they have no employees to run the business, and the recently departed can start their own business. Unions force the majority to bow to the whims of the minority by intimidation - something that should be illegal. Okay I wish I was so deluded |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
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"cookie" wrote in message
... "Paul Weaver" wrote in message ... On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:46:18 +0000, Chris Jones wrote: It took 15 years of Hell before Junction 8 on the M62 was finished. The Trafford Centre fares better, however the metro doesn't go there. The Trafford Centre only received planning permission on the basis that the Greater Manchester LRT System (Metrolink) would reach the Dumplington complex *before* the centre opened, in order to reduce the traffic chaos. Either they've broken the rules (perhaps this was changed after the public inquiry) or they widened the M63/M60 instead? They certainly didn't widen the motorway, just the roundabouts - the Stretford stretch is now being widened, but that was the last remaining original 2-lane section of M62 anyway. Metrolink going to Dumplington is basically over Manchester councils' dead bodies, even when Peel Developments has tens of million of pounds to put towards it. How can they hope to attract business and shops Like Harvey Nicks to the City Centre when there is a huge shopping mall in Trafford? |
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