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Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:42:40 -0000, "iantheengineer"
wrote: Not everything works on the same principles are you so stupid??? Water flows under gravity does that mean rock will too??? Certainly does as anyone who has studied civil engineering *ought* *to* *know*. ;-) There are some examples in Professor James Edward Gordon's books, (The New Science of Strong Materials or Why You Don't Fall Through the Floor, "Structures" was another one ), and there plenty for all to see around here where stone walls have deflected in areas of mining subsidence, The stones have bent over 50-100 years where the ground has subsided beneath them. There are also many examples in the medieval cathedrals you just need to look out for them. According to Steve yes, so when we build culverts for rocks we need to design them the same as for water??!??? You don't need to rush! DG |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:09:11 -0000, "iantheengineer"
wrote: Lets face it Derek, you will never get your arse out of your car until the carbon monoxide from the polluted atmosphere leaks into it and we all die a horrible death. There's no CO from modern cars. People have tried to commit suicide by piping the exhaust back into the passenger compartment and persistently failed to die, that's why Dr What'sisface used those drugs. They've become the fav. method since car exhaust no longer works. What business are you in needing all these tools? I repair and install X-ray and Nuclear Counting/Imaging equipment in Hospitals and Research labs. Do you only travel for business? My employment supports my family, and involves travelling. This week Leeds,Exeter, Torquay, Dudley Leeds. Last week, Leeds, Edinburgh Aberdeen, Leeds. o you never travel for other reasons??? Yes, I go on holiday. 4 out of the last 5 years I've taken the car to the continent. I've driven to Amsterdam, Berlin, Prague, Venice, Florence, Rome, Naples, Amalfi, Vienna, Budapest, and all points in between. This last year the introduction of the Euro has caused a lot of inflation on the continent making 2 rooms x 25 nights too expensive so I went on a cruise and did Copenhagen, Vilnius, St. Petersburg, Helsinki, Gothland, Warnemunde, (Old East) Germany, Stokholm, and Aarhus in one trip. No amount of fact figures, studies will ever change your mind as you, and many others in this NG only believe what they want to believe so that they can sleep soundly at night. ?? In answer to your question about who does the maintenance on your product well what can I say. You sold the product to them to inflate your pockets. ?? If you couldnt have provided it someone else would have in the locality or they would have managed with what they had got perviously. I can tell you, you wouldn't have wanted a child of yours to endure the invasive proceadures that were routine before digital X-ray became available. Eg, get a child, strap it to a tilting table, drill a small hole in it's skull, inserta ;little plastic pipe, inject air as contrast media, turn child upside down on tilting table and fire X-ray shots at 2 per second as the bubbles make their way up the spinal column. As for the roadworks it obviously depends upon the length of works and the type of works. When you next go past try opening your eyes and assessing what work is being carried out. Obviously if you are patching its a quick job, if you are relaying then it is a much bigger task, if you are fittimg safety fencing / lighting or drainage then it takes even longer. Surely in whatever it is that you do, some jobs take longer than others. Just as I thought 2 hours is bull****. For your sort of work it isnt realistic to expect you to use public transport, but there are many other jobs that use cars, where PT could be used. Most office workers commute to a city with a briefcase. If they werent on the road then you would have less congestion. I think you would be better employed mounting a tirade about: 1) Long distance commuting. Too many people are commuting 100 - 150 miles. On the railway it's by and large too expensive, on the buses it's laughable! On the roads this means they are still travelling at 8-9 PM. But they don't do it for fun, society has pressed them into that mould. 2) Short distance commuting at rush hour, just disincentivise it, make these people pay the real cost of having vehicles and infrastructure stood around all day (Like motorists do) just to be used for the rush hour commute. But outside these distortions the transport systems should be able to meet the demand. DG |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
"Ian Edwards" wrote in message
... iantheengineer wrote: How many cars does it take to move 72 people, at say 5 seats per car 15, okay and what area does a car take up 5.75m by 2.5m roughly so 14.4m2 times 15 = 216m2, and what area does a double decker take 12.9m long by 2.5m = 32.25m2, hmm I need say no more. Very good. Now get the bus to go in 15 different directions at the same time. :-) The bus is going in 15 different directions at the same time. If it had a non-zero speed, it would need more than 12.9m x 2.5m |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
"derek" wrote in message ... There's no CO from modern cars. People have tried to commit suicide by piping the exhaust back into the passenger compartment and persistently failed to die, that's why Dr What'sisface used those drugs. They've become the fav. method since car exhaust no longer works. OK, it's pedantic, but modern cars do emit CO. A lot less than older cars, but they still produce it nonetheless. See http://www.naei.org.uk/other/vehicle_emissions_v8.xls |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:32:41 -0000, "Stephen Cragg"
wrote: "derek" wrote in message .. . There's no CO from modern cars. People have tried to commit suicide by piping the exhaust back into the passenger compartment and persistently failed to die, that's why Dr What'sisface used those drugs. They've become the fav. method since car exhaust no longer works. OK, it's pedantic, Indeed it is, and not pertinent to this discussion. It would appear that emissions have been reduced by a factor of about 40 fold. We all know nothing is perfect. but modern cars do emit CO. A lot less than older cars, but they still produce it nonetheless. See http://www.naei.org.uk/other/vehicle_emissions_v8.xls DG |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
"Ian Edwards" wrote in message ... iantheengineer wrote: How many cars does it take to move 72 people, at say 5 seats per car 15, okay and what area does a car take up 5.75m by 2.5m roughly so 14.4m2 times 15 = 216m2, and what area does a double decker take 12.9m long by 2.5m = 32.25m2, hmm I need say no more. Very good. Now get the bus to go in 15 different directions at the same time. :-) -- Ian Edwards It doesnt need to for most of the commute |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
"Nick Finnigan" wrote in message ... "iantheengineer" wrote in message ... "Nick Finnigan" wrote in message ... "iantheengineer" wrote in message ... To continue to build roads will continue the problem. The answer is puvblic transport, but public transport cannot cater for all journeys and therefore over time journeys will need to become more corridored. For example go into any city during the am peak and the tidality of the flow is there to be seen. IF we were to get all of the people from their cars onto public transport, or even better living nearer to the workplace, the congestion would be far less. cars. Without cars on the urban road network public transport would be faster and more reliable. How fast would urban public transport be with no cars on the road? (and no vans, cycles, taxis etc. if that helps). Is this a question, is it not obvious enough. It will be exactly the travel time + the stops for pick up/drop off, without any delay occurring due to congestion, And what will the travel speed be, and who long will each stop take, and how frequently will the stops occur? Or, alternatively, how fast would a typical journey be? Well this depends upon the usage the frequency of buses, the congestion levels. The reason for the introduction of bus lanes at intersections was to advance the bus to the front of the queues thus gaining back on the journey speed to make up for stops. |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
"Clive" wrote in message ... In message , Chris Jones writes Your view is certainly not shared by me, yes she may have buiilt roads, but look at what happens road building leads to more traffic, this has been researched. This is almost the same argument put forward by one of the landed gentry on seeing the railways. "Oh no, it'll just encourage the working class to travel." It's along the lines of, "I'm entitled to travel, but you've got to stay put. -- Clive We cant travel if the rate of increase in traffic continues |
Britains Crap Roads, Answers wanted
"Steve Firth" wrote in message ... iantheengineer wrote: Not everything works on the same principles are you so stupid??? Water flows under gravity does that mean rock will too??? Well yes it does actually. Avalanche. Landslip. Continental drift Lava flow These appear to be some concepts missing from your limited education. [snip waffle] Anyway Steve I think theres a village missing an idiot Why not apply for the vacancy then numbnuts? -- Having problems understanding usenet? Or do you simply need help but are getting unhelpful answers? Subscribe to: uk.net.beginners for friendly advice in a flame-free environment. We could go on forever but suffice to say not all things work under the same rules, yes perhaps rock was a poor example due to the issue of it being lava when in a super heated stat, but to go by your theories we would only need one mathematical formula to solve all of the worlds issues and this isnt the case, ask any mathematician. I have pointed out the evidence which is accepted by transport professionals the world over and still you doubt, well fine I am not going to argue anymore wasting my time, suffice to say that the construction of a new road is a complex issue with many far reaching implications. It facilitates movement, but by that very facilitation it can make transport more attractive and increases the usage, which impacts upon other areas of the network. This is why whenever new roads are built traffic models have to be built that simulate traffic flow and we as engineers have to examine the impacts and mitigate against them to prevent gridlock within limited budgets. |
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