1506 writes:
IIRC the same sized litterbins started to re-appear the 1980s. At
that time they were painted orange. My best guess is that they have
again been removed. This time due to the evil of islamic terrorism.
Do not expect them to return any time soon, if ever.

Same stupidity on some train-lines here in Tokyo. Apparently not in
reaction to any event of domestic terrorism (the only thing I know about
is the 1995 subway gassings), but rather in a silly post-9/11
"OMGthey'reeverywhere!" spate of pointless and annoying flailing about.

Very annoying when you've bought a snack at the start of an hour-long
train ride.

Meanwhile, _other_ lines in the same city have plenty of trash
receptacles...

[Other reactions included heavily equipped policeman standing on boxes
in train stations from which they could scan the crowds, to no apparent
end; the policeman have gone of course, but the trash bins don't seem to
have come back... guess which one costs money, and which one saves
costs.]

-Miles

--
Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature
of the Unknowable.

"Tim Fenton" wrote in message
...

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

The significant incident was an IRA bomb left in a litter bin on the
concourse of Victoria station in 1991 that killed a man and injured 38
others. There was also a bomb at London Bridge station in 1992 that
injured 29 people, though I don't know where it was placed.

The Victoria bomb was the one I was recalling. So I should have said
"early 90s". My point remains that there hasn't been any noticeable change
due to Lardy Binman and his followers.


I'd also like to chip in with the fact that there have been bombs placed in
bins elsewhere in the country over the last 30 years or more, it isn't just
a London issue, so the frequency of incidents in London isn't necessarily
the only deciding factor. Down my way the stations with permanently manned
platforms seem to have no bins, most others have the clear bags. The
implication appears to be that the staff of certain large sized or higher
profile stations should be dealing with rubbish as it appears, I also
believe it isn't at the whim of the local TOC, some flavour of security
people decide.

Paul S

On Jun 11, 11:59*am, "Tim Fenton" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message

...



IIRC the same sized litterbins started to re-appear the 1980s. At
that time they were painted orange. My best guess is that they have
again been removed. This time due to the evil of islamic terrorism.

Yawn. The litter bins were removed during the 80s after Seamus
O'Timing-Device and his pals used them to hide bombs. This pre-dates any
activity in the capital by the followers of Lardy Binman.
Afraid to say I don't think that's quite right, though off hand I
can't remember the potted history of litter bins on the public
transport system in London. However, I think that to an extent some
litter binds made come backs in the 90's, post IRA ceasefires, before
being removed again more recently.

I wasn't aware of that. MX is that it's been a case of "wait for the bod
with the clean-up trolley and drop it on the floor in front of them" for
some years now, except ...

The clear plastic bin bag in a hoop is I think a more recent
'innovation'.

... as you mention, the clear plastic bin bag.

The significant incident was an IRA bomb left in a litter bin on the
concourse of Victoria station in 1991 that killed a man and injured 38
others. There was also a bomb at London Bridge station in 1992 that
injured 29 people, though I don't know where it was placed.

The Victoria bomb was the one I was recalling. So I should have said "early
90s". My point remains that there hasn't been any noticeable change due to
Lardy Binman and his followers.


Sorry Tim, but I think that many bins which reappeared in the 90's
after the IRA/ Irish republican threat dissipated were removed again
after the 2001 terrorist attacks in the US.

(I have a distinct memory of a new albeit short-lived 'innovation' of
cardboard trays being provided for rubbish at some stations - these
were placed on the floor next to walls, the logic presumably being
much the same as the clear plastic bin liners - it'd make it harder to
conceal an explosive device amongst other rubbish.)

On Jun 11, 2:11*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Tim Fenton" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:
The significant incident was an IRA bomb left in a litter bin on the
concourse of Victoria station in 1991 that killed a man and injured 38
others. There was also a bomb at London Bridge station in 1992 that
injured 29 people, though I don't know where it was placed.

The Victoria bomb was the one I was recalling. So I should have said
"early 90s". My point remains that there hasn't been any noticeable change
due to Lardy Binman and his followers.

I'd also like to chip in with the fact that there have been bombs placed in
bins elsewhere in the country over the last 30 years or more, it isn't just
a London issue, so the frequency of incidents in London isn't necessarily
the only deciding factor. *Down my way the stations with permanently manned
platforms seem to have no bins, most others have the clear bags. The
implication appears to be that the staff of certain large sized or higher
profile stations should be dealing with rubbish as it appears, I also
believe it isn't at the whim of the local TOC, some flavour of security
people decide.

Indeed - sorry, my comments were intentionally London-centric and
looked only at public transport, but I should have flagged up that it
was just a very partial take on events. As you rightly say, bombings
happened all over the country. I was just trying to illustrate that
whilst a few 'big' attacks stick in the mind, I think many others
rather fade from the collective memory.

Also, the 'flavour of security people' who deal with such matters
might possibly be "TRANSEC" (seemingly always capitalised as such) at
the DfT.

On Jun 11, 7:22*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 11, 11:59*am, "Tim Fenton" wrote:





"Mizter T" wrote in message

....

IIRC the same sized litterbins started to re-appear the 1980s. At
that time they were painted orange. My best guess is that they have
again been removed. This time due to the evil of islamic terrorism.

Yawn. The litter bins were removed during the 80s after Seamus
O'Timing-Device and his pals used them to hide bombs. This pre-dates any
activity in the capital by the followers of Lardy Binman.
Afraid to say I don't think that's quite right, though off hand I
can't remember the potted history of litter bins on the public
transport system in London. However, I think that to an extent some
litter binds made come backs in the 90's, post IRA ceasefires, before
being removed again more recently.

I wasn't aware of that. MX is that it's been a case of "wait for the bod
with the clean-up trolley and drop it on the floor in front of them" for
some years now, except ...

The clear plastic bin bag in a hoop is I think a more recent
'innovation'.

... as you mention, the clear plastic bin bag.

The significant incident was an IRA bomb left in a litter bin on the
concourse of Victoria station in 1991 that killed a man and injured 38
others. There was also a bomb at London Bridge station in 1992 that
injured 29 people, though I don't know where it was placed.

The Victoria bomb was the one I was recalling. So I should have said "early
90s". My point remains that there hasn't been any noticeable change due to
Lardy Binman and his followers.

Sorry Tim, but I think that many bins which reappeared in the 90's
after the IRA/ Irish republican threat dissipated were removed again
after the 2001 terrorist attacks in the US.

(I have a distinct memory of a new albeit short-lived 'innovation' of
cardboard trays being provided for rubbish at some stations - these
were placed on the floor next to walls, the logic presumably being
much the same as the clear plastic bin liners - it'd make it harder to
conceal an explosive device amongst other rubbish.)

That is my recollection. My timescale may be a liitle adrift. But, I
do recall bins coming back as the IRA threat subsided. It is two
years since I last passed thru London, there were not many bins on the
subway at that time.

On 11 June, 00:28, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 10, 6:44*pm, "Tim Fenton" wrote:





"1506" wrote:

When I first utilized the London Underground in the 1960s, dark blue
litterbins were commonplace. *As the IRA terror campaign came to
London, they were removed. *Lockers at mainline stations where also
removed.

Unattended lockers were certainly removed. But the first phase of the
Jubilee Line featured station litter bins, and that wasn't until 1979.

IIRC the same sized litterbins started to re-appear the 1980s. *At
that time they were painted orange. *My best guess is that they have
again been removed. *This time due to the evil of islamic terrorism..

Yawn. The litter bins were removed during the 80s after Seamus
O'Timing-Device and his pals used them to hide bombs. This pre-dates any
activity in the capital by the followers of Lardy Binman.

Afraid to say I don't think that's quite right, though off hand I
can't remember the potted history of litter bins on the public
transport system in London. However, I think that to an extent some
litter binds made come backs in the 90's, post IRA ceasefires, before
being removed again more recently. It could possibly even be a rather
more complicated story than that, with bins initially only being
removed from some stations, and perhaps returning to some before they
returned to others, before later being withdrawn again.

The clear plastic bin bag in a hoop is I think a more recent
'innovation'.

The significant incident was an IRA bomb left in a litter bin on the
concourse of Victoria station in 1991 that killed a man and injured 38
others. There was also a bomb at London Bridge station in 1992 that
injured 29 people, though I don't know where it was placed.

It was in what was then the gents toilet on platform 3/4 and is now an
office for railway staff.

When it happened I was in a train that eventually got to Blackheath
tunnel and then reversed to Kidbrooke and chucked us out, from where I
got a bus.

In uk.transport.london message , Wed,
10 Jun 2009 10:54:43, pg123 posted:

There are enough outlets selling take-away food on the underground and,
at times, I have to eat as I use the tube to travel between
appointments. No, I'm not going to carry around food wrapping with me
all day so I have to find somewhere to discretely drop it.

To avoid carrying it round all day, you need to dispose of it
discretely; but in order not to be an obvious nuisance, you also need to
dispose of it discreetly.

Smallish plastic bags are cheaply enough available. Start off with a
sufficient supply, put your rubbish in one as you eat, then tie it off
and for safety tie it off in another. If you do not see a bin between
the tube and your next appointment, ask the receptionist how the bag can
conveniently be disposed of.

But eating on public transport is unladylike, so perhaps you will not be
seeing the better sort of receptionist.

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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Mizter T
wrote this:-

Also, the 'flavour of security people' who deal with such matters
might possibly be "TRANSEC" (seemingly always capitalised as such) at
the DfT.

Indeed. A group not noted for common sense.

They do not issue instructions but rather "advice". However, those
who receive this "advice" are too busy protecting their backsides to
consider the correctness and appropriateness of the "advice".


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David Hansen, Edinburgh
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http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On 12 June, 08:23, David Hansen
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Mizter T
wrote this:-

Also, the 'flavour of security people' who deal with such matters
might possibly be "TRANSEC" (seemingly always capitalised as such) at
the DfT.

Indeed. A group not noted for common sense.

They do not issue instructions but rather "advice". However, those
who receive this "advice" are too busy protecting their backsides to
consider the correctness and appropriateness of the "advice".

--
* David Hansen, Edinburgh
*I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
*http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Is it just me, or are free newspapers a litter nuisance?

"Dr. Sunil" wrote

Is it just me, or are free newspapers a litter nuisance?

It's not just you, and it costs LUL and the TOCs a fortune to dispose of
them.

Peter