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In article
,
(Mr Thant) wrote:

On 1 July, 10:36, "solar penguin"
wrote:
There's also the question of whether people joining from HSK and
Bayswater will know whether the Edgware Rd train is Circle or
Wimbleware...

You miss the point. Circles will continue to have "Circle Line" on the
front and on the platform displays (likewise Wimblewares will continue
to say "Edgware Road"), and passengers are meant to be able to take
this as a reliable indicator of which platform the train will use at
Edgware Road.

Not last Saturday they didn't. My friends reported to me that all trains
from the District/Circle Outer Rail platform at Paddington were advertised
as to Edgware Road.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Extended Circle trial this weekend
 

In article
,
(Mr Thant) wrote:

On 1 July, 07:28, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:
Does TfL have to pass any public enquiry to consider needs such as
mobility, particularly the removal of guaranteed step-free routes

Allegedly, any "Circle Line" train terminating at Edgware Road will
offer a cross platform connection to an onward train, so in theory a
guaranteed step-free route will continue to exist.

Whether they'll be able to honour this promise is another question
entirely.

More the the point, there is no such promise in the other direction.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 1 July, 12:06, wrote:
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(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:
James Farrar wrote:

Point two: you are not LU's only passenger. The network is not
designed for your convenience.

No but Colin is from the only person who will lose the existing
through route and be forced into either long routes round or
awkward interchanges. (And I'm not hit as I've rarely had to use
the Circle for Circle-only routes but that's because I'm based
where I can access either the north or south sides without going
through Aldgate, whilst the west side is accessed via the Central,
but I can see the problems.)

Does TfL have to pass any public enquiry to consider needs such as
mobility, particularly the removal of guaranteed step-free routes,
or for that matter things like platform capacity (like others I
can't see the Hammersmith & City platform at Paddington as being
suitable for adding all the clockwise Circle traffic) and
litigation protection?

Precisely. I've given examples and to be fobbed off with far inferior
routes is a typical of what people with mobility problems face from people
like Mr Farrer.

I've always assumed the route via Edgware Road is already slower than the
route via Victoria to Vauxhall and SWT to Putney. but still competitive
and can be cheaper. However, the long way round the Circle takes how much
longer than the current route via Edgware Road. According to the TfL
journey planner the route via Edgware Road takes 33-35 minutes station to
station. Via Aldgate it takes 49 to 53 minutes.

According to the journey planner the SWT/Victoria line route is marginally
slower at 34-36 minutes. That seems to be because it allows 9-11 minutes
interchange time at Vauxhall, very much more generous than I normally need
when not weighed down with luggage.

Don't forget that, in these discussions, existence of a long-winded,
inconvenient solution to a newly-imposed problem means that the
problem doesn't exist and must never be resolved. Anyone pointing out
a fairly reasonable solution that might make life easier will be taken
patronisingly through the long-winded solution that they already know.

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On 1 July, 13:06, wrote:
In article
,

(Mr Thant) wrote:
On 1 July, 07:28, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:
Does TfL have to pass any public enquiry to consider needs such as
mobility, particularly the removal of guaranteed step-free routes

Allegedly, any "Circle Line" train terminating at Edgware Road will
offer a cross platform connection to an onward train, so in theory a
guaranteed step-free route will continue to exist.

Whether they'll be able to honour this promise is another question
entirely.

More the the point, there is no such promise in the other direction.


Yes there is, you change onto a District line service at Edgware Road
(which should leave from the adjacent platform),if you then wish a
Circle line service, you change again at a station between Paddington
and High Street Kensington. In fact, heading west from Edgware Road
was never going to be the problem, it is maintaining the planned
platform for interchange heading east that will be.

Extended Circle trial this weekend
 

Extended Circle trial this weekend
 

On 1 July, 07:28, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:
James Farrar wrote:
Point two: you are not LU's only passenger. The network is not designed
for your convenience.

No but Colin is from the only person who will lose the existing through
route and be forced into either long routes round or awkward interchanges.
(And I'm not hit as I've rarely had to use the Circle for Circle-only routes
but that's because I'm based where I can access either the north or south
sides without going through Aldgate, whilst the west side is accessed via
the Central, but I can see the problems.)

Does TfL have to pass any public enquiry to consider needs such as mobility,
particularly the removal of guaranteed step-free routes, or for that matter
things like platform capacity (like others I can't see the Hammersmith &
City platform at Paddington as being suitable for adding all the clockwise
Circle traffic) and litigation protection?

Only at Bank. The rest of the system can be as dangerous as it likes.

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On Jul 1, 11:24*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:

wrote:
Allegedly, any "Circle Line" train terminating at Edgware Road will
offer a cross platform connection to an onward train, so in theory a
guaranteed step-free route will continue to exist.
Whether they'll be able to honour this promise is another question
entirely.

More the the point, there is no such promise in the other direction.

Isn't the long term plan to switch Met trains to terminate at Barking and
abolish the H&C, with the Circle reversing at Aldgate?

Is it?!

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On 2 July, 00:47, Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 1, 11:24*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-

wrote:
wrote:
Allegedly, any "Circle Line" train terminating at Edgware Road will
offer a cross platform connection to an onward train, so in theory a
guaranteed step-free route will continue to exist.
Whether they'll be able to honour this promise is another question
entirely.

More the the point, there is no such promise in the other direction.

Isn't the long term plan to switch Met trains to terminate at Barking and
abolish the H&C, with the Circle reversing at Aldgate?

Is it?!

Only here I suspect, although it would be a much better plan. It
wouldn't include the increased Hammersmith Frequency, but the need for
that is dubious anyway. In fact, it would leave all frequencies
exactly as they are and retain nearly all journey options intact.

Dunno if all the platform lengths would allow it though. Which would
still leave the complete loop and off to Barking as an option. It's
only the increased Hammersmith frequency that requires the Edgware
Road scenario that then creates the accessibility and workability
problems.

And I still don't buy the excuses for why the Circle is so bad (depot,
terminus) when the real reason is all the flat junctions and
contamination from other routes, that will still be there no matter
what.

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In article
,
(Andy) wrote:

On 1 July, 13:06, wrote:
In article
,

(Mr Thant) wrote:
On 1 July, 07:28, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:
Does TfL have to pass any public enquiry to consider needs such as
mobility, particularly the removal of guaranteed step-free routes

Allegedly, any "Circle Line" train terminating at Edgware Road will
offer a cross platform connection to an onward train, so in theory a
guaranteed step-free route will continue to exist.

Whether they'll be able to honour this promise is another question
entirely.

More the the point, there is no such promise in the other
direction.

Yes there is, you change onto a District line service at Edgware Road
(which should leave from the adjacent platform),if you then wish a
Circle line service, you change again at a station between Paddington
and High Street Kensington. In fact, heading west from Edgware Road
was never going to be the problem, it is maintaining the planned
platform for interchange heading east that will be.

Two changes!

--
Colin Rosenstiel