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Extended Circle trial this weekend
"Paul Scott" wrote in message
Recliner wrote: "Tom Barry" wrote in message You could possibly have a pair of reversing sidings usable by trains terminating eastbound at Farringdon or westbound at Barbican, which might give useful delay/perturbation recovery options. Put them between the main running lines and there would be no conflictions. The problem would be that it's basically all tunnel along there, so it might be hard/expensive to slew the Inner Rail into the southern alignment, depending on how Smithfield Market and the Barbican are held up. There seems to be plenty of space near Farringdon, but I've no idea how feasible it would be at the Barbican end. A number of previous discussions seem to have concluded that rejigging the tracks between Farringdon and Barbican is theoretically possible, but immediately east of Barbican and towards Moorgate is pretty much a non starter, due to the supports for buildings above. It would be interesting to see some plans though. If I were a betting man I reckon the likeliest use of the various spare tracks and platforms around that part of the route is for S stock stabling... Yes, I agree, but it would be nice if one or two of those parked trains could be used to substitute for disrupted services on the main line. |
Extended Circle trial this weekend
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Extended Circle trial this weekend
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Extended Circle trial this weekend
Paul Scott wrote:
A number of previous discussions seem to have concluded that rejigging the tracks between Farringdon and Barbican is theoretically possible, but immediately east of Barbican and towards Moorgate is pretty much a non starter, due to the supports for buildings above. It would be interesting to see some plans though. If I were a betting man I reckon the likeliest use of the various spare tracks and platforms around that part of the route is for S stock stabling... The other day I saw a FCC train parked at Moorgate - what was it doing there so long after the route closed? |
Extended Circle trial this weekend
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Extended Circle trial this weekend
On Jun 26, 11:35*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll- wrote: Paul Scott wrote: A number of previous discussions seem to have concluded that rejigging the tracks between Farringdon and Barbican is theoretically possible, but immediately east of Barbican and towards Moorgate is pretty much a non starter, due to the supports for buildings above. It would be interesting to see some plans though. If I were a betting man I reckon the likeliest use of the various spare tracks and platforms around that part of the route is for S stock stabling... The other day I saw a FCC train parked at Moorgate - what was it doing there so long after the route closed? But the route hasn't closed... it's just closed to passengers. Full closure and severing of the junction at Farringdon comes a bit later. |
Extended Circle trial this weekend
On Jun 26, 11:45*pm, wrote: In article , (Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote: [snip] The other day I saw a FCC train parked at Moorgate - what was it doing there so long after the route closed? Aren't they still using Moorgate for reversing AC trains from the Bedford line? Yes. I can't remember how this all meshes together, but the Moorgate branch was always going to remain open for stabling and reversing trains for a while. Critically, FCC need to get their hands on enough dual-voltage Electrostars so they can start running services all the way through the Thameslink core route - but I don't think this is delaying the start of work at Farringdon (not yet at least), as I think the works timetable contained a good period when the Moorgate branch was to remain open albeit not for passenger services. |
Extended Circle trial this weekend
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Extended Circle trial this weekend
On 24 June, 18:55, Paul Scott wrote:
Noticed on TfL weekend travel a hint that a trial run of the Circle to Hammersmith 'Teacup' service is happening this weekend. I suppose understandably the online Live Departure Boards still "think" that the Circle trains are following their usual erm Circular route pattern. This means that at a given station the next Circle train is expected in 28 minutes whereas in reality a "quasi-circle/ pseudo-circle" starting empty from Edgware Road or Hammersmith is portrayed as an Unknown (even though we on here would know it as a known known rather than an unknown unknown). I still fear for the Hiram T. Pipesuckers (and family) of this world from New Dworkin trying to unravel all this. The Circle Line in its traditional form was the one element of the underground map that Hiram and his ilk could grasp even if it meant a lengthy non crow-fly trip and huge gaps in service followed by a convoy of trains. Radical change is fine in its place but replacing a shambolic service but which has the virtue of a very easily understood service pattern with something that might be operationally achievable but which no bugger can make head nor tail of is hardly progress. -- gordon |
Extended Circle trial this weekend
On 26 June, 23:35, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote: The other day I saw a FCC train parked at Moorgate - what was it doing there so long after the route closed? As others have said, the route hasn't closed. It's the bay platforms at Blackfriars that have. That means Southeastern trains that used to terminate at Blackfriars have to run through to at least Kentish Town to reverse, which eats most of the capacity between Farringdon and Kentish Town that the Moorgate trains used to use. Therefore the plan was to run the Moorgate trains into Southeastern territory, meaning service levels on both routes were unaffected, though service to Moorgate would be prematurely curtailed. But since during the peaks there were more trains terminating at Moorgate than trains terminating at Blackfriars, some of the trains from the north were planned to terminate at Elephant and/or Herne Hill*. It wouldn't have been impossible for these extra trains to have continued to provide some service to Moorgate for the rest of this year, when the branch actually closes. And in fact, due to the shortage of dual voltage rolling stock, an emergency timetable is in place which sees many Southeastern services continuing to be provided by DC stock, reversing in Smithfield sidings, and their paths north of Farringdon filled by trains starting at Moorgate (not in passenger service until Farringdon), some of which use AC-only stock (317s). I think that covers everything. U (* Conversely, during the off-peak, there are more trains from the south than the north, so all former Southeastern services reverse at Kentish Town rather than going anywhere exotic further north) |
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