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O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Bakerloo Line
T Elephant & Castle - Kilburn Park
O Kilburn Park - Harrow & Wealdstone


The latter should, of course, be Queens Park - H&W.

Piccadilly Line
T Heathrow T4 & Heathrow T123
C Hatton Cross - Hounslow West
O Uxbridge / Hounslow Central - Barons Court
T Earls Court - Bounds Green
O Arnos Grove
C Southgate
O Oakwood & Cockfosters


Southgate is deep tube, despite having open air visible down one of the
running tunnels.
Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and there would
be no obvious reason to cover it.

Metropolitan
O Uxbridge / Watford / Amersham / Chesham - Finchley Road
U Baker St.
C Great Portland St. - Kings Cross St Pancras
O Farringdon
U Barbican
C Moorgate
U Liverpool St. & Aldgate


Great Portland Street is open at one end.

District Line
O Ealing Broadway / Richmond - West Kensington
O Wimbledon - Parsons Green
C Fulham Broadway (Only recently mind you!)
O West Brompton
U Earls court
C Glocester Road
U South Kensington - Sloane Square
C Victoria - Tower Hill
U Aldage East - Whitechapel
C Stepney Green - Bow Road
O Bromley By Bow - Upminster
U High St. Kensington - Edgware Road


Isn't Blackfriars partly open?
Bow Road is half open.
IIRC Stepney Green has a small garden which is open to the air, on a disused
bay platform adjacent to the eastbound.

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.


I think the north end of Wapping might be open.

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O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)


Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.


I think that, like many modern stations, it was built as an open box and
then roofed over. The running tunnels count as "T", but I suppose the
station itself is "C".


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O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)


Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.


I think that, like many modern stations, it was built as an open box and
then roofed over. The running tunnels count as "T", but I suppose the
station itself is "C".


The tunnel from Hounslow West, Hatton Cross station and a short length of
tunnel to the west are cut and cover. The bored tube tunnels start a short
distance west of the station.


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Thanks for all the helpful replies so far!

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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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"Simon Clarke" wrote in message
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O - Overground
U - In a cutting between and adjacent to two sections of 'Cut and
Cover' line (e.g. Bayswater).
C - 'Cut and Cover' (Or shallow excavation e.g. Hatton Cross)
T - 'Tube' (or deep excavation, e.g. North Greenwich)

Bakerloo Line
T Elephant & Castle - Kilburn Park
O Kilburn Park - Harrow & Wealdstone


The latter should, of course, be Queens Park - H&W.

Piccadilly Line
T Heathrow T4 & Heathrow T123
C Hatton Cross - Hounslow West
O Uxbridge / Hounslow Central - Barons Court
T Earls Court - Bounds Green
O Arnos Grove
C Southgate
O Oakwood & Cockfosters


Southgate is deep tube, despite having open air visible down one of the
running tunnels.
Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and there

would
be no obvious reason to cover it.

Metropolitan
O Uxbridge / Watford / Amersham / Chesham - Finchley Road
U Baker St.
C Great Portland St. - Kings Cross St Pancras
O Farringdon
U Barbican
C Moorgate
U Liverpool St. & Aldgate


Great Portland Street is open at one end.

District Line
O Ealing Broadway / Richmond - West Kensington
O Wimbledon - Parsons Green
C Fulham Broadway (Only recently mind you!)
O West Brompton
U Earls court
C Glocester Road
U South Kensington - Sloane Square
C Victoria - Tower Hill
U Aldage East - Whitechapel
C Stepney Green - Bow Road
O Bromley By Bow - Upminster
U High St. Kensington - Edgware Road


Isn't Blackfriars partly open?
Bow Road is half open.
IIRC Stepney Green has a small garden which is open to the air, on a

disused
bay platform adjacent to the eastbound.

East London Line
O Shoreditch - Whitechapel
U Shadwell
C (T??) Wapping
C Rotherhithe - Canada Water
O Surrey Quays - New Cross / New Cross Gate.


I think the north end of Wapping might be open.


Mile End is open just above the w/b Central platform.... it's where the
pigeons get in....


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In message , John Rowland
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Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and there would
be no obvious reason to cover it.


I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to the
platforms - not even an escalator.

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Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Rowland
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Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.


I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to the
platforms - not even an escalator.


Yes, there are 33 steps down to the platforms, which have flat ceilings and
are evidently cut-and-cover. The "obvious reason to cover it" is that the
exit from the bus station and the airport perimeter road are on top of it.
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Richard J.
), in message
who said:
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Rowland
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Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.


I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to the
platforms - not even an escalator.


Yes, there are 33 steps down to the platforms, which have flat
ceilings and are evidently cut-and-cover. The "obvious reason to
cover it" is that the exit from the bus station and the airport
perimeter road are on top of it.



I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone going to
the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations, and aside from an
under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot in the area on the
non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up point
on my world-record attempt, having just been around the Heathrow loop.

BTN


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In article , Ben Nunn wrote:

I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone going to
the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations, and aside from an
under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot in the area on the
non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up point
on my world-record attempt, having just been around the Heathrow loop.


I used to use it when I lived in Ealing - I'd get the tube from
Northfields and get off at Hatton Cross, then get the H26 bus from there
to Bedfont Lakes where I work.

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"Ben Nunn" wrote in message

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Richard J.
), in message
who said:
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , John Rowland
writes

Are you sure Hatton Cross is cut-and-cover? It's quite deep, and
there would be no obvious reason to cover it.

I'm not sure it is very deep, is it? I recall just stairs down to
the platforms - not even an escalator.


Yes, there are 33 steps down to the platforms, which have flat
ceilings and are evidently cut-and-cover. The "obvious reason to
cover it" is that the exit from the bus station and the airport
perimeter road are on top of it.



I've always wondered just who uses Hatton cross.

With the exception of staff working in the immediate area, anyone
going to the airport would surely use the two 'terminal' stations,
and aside from an under-occupied industrial estate there's not a lot
in the area on the non-airport side.

The only time in my life that I've used the station was as a pick-up
point on my world-record attempt, having just been around the
Heathrow loop.


Presumably there are a lot of airline staff who use it, plus those picking
up buses to go to/from local hotels, etc. Doesn't the airport run a free
bus service from there?




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