On 3 July, 19:02, "solar penguin"
wrote:
Martin Petrov wrote:

Drop the sarcasm cos it makes you look a cock.

Better than sounding like an Oyster-apologist suck-up troll.

Who the hell are you to
question whether or not "I've bought a paper ticket in the last few
years".

I'm someone who's had to buy hundreds of paper tickets in the past few
years, that's who!

If I tell you I've not, then I've not, ok?

That still doesn't stop it being very hard to believe.



"There exists SOME journeys where you can't use an Oystercard".
Brilliant. Buy your paper ticket then.

Yes, like I said, for most journeys you still need to buy a paper
ticket. *I'm glad you're finally seeing that.



Many, many, many people buy the season travelcard. They're great. A
very large number of people have jobs within the zones and it's
scarcely more expensive to buy a monthly to do your daily commute into
town, and then everything else is FREE.

Only if the "everything else" means travelling in the same zones that
you already use for your daily commute. *No use at all for heading in
the opposite direction, getting away from the built up areas and the
crowds.

I use London
Overground a lot too which has obviously accepted pre-pay for a
good few years.

Which might be handy one day, but for now Overground is completely
useless for most journeys, since there's hardly anything of it
south of the river. So there's still the need for a paper ticket
to/from Clapham Junction to connect with it.

Overground is completely useless for most journeys? WTF are you
talking about?

There are lots and lots of places in London that are not served by
London Overground. *London Overground is no use for nearly all the
possible journeys between these places. *I don't see how I can put it
simpler than that.



No, if I'd stayed in Finsbury Park where I lived previously, I could
have got tubes and overground trains with the Oystercard too.

Rather you than me. *I'd hate to live that close to central London even
with the benefit of Oyster tickets. *(And you still wouldn't be able to
use PAYG on all the FCC trains heading away from central London.)

The Oystercard is magnificent north of the river.

Except if you're going to Ilford, obviously.

Or to Enfield or Alexandra Palace or Chingford or Elstree or New Barnet
or Romford or Hendon (by Thameslink, not Northern line) or Gordon Hill
or Turkey Street, all of which are "north of the river" places I've
caught trains to over the past few years (mostly as a result of walking
the various stretches of the London Loop and Capital Ring).

So it's more accurate to say that Oyster is only "magnificent" in a very
few areas north of the river, but not in most of the places that I
actually want to go to.

I appreciate that
mainline, south of the river doesn't have the best coverage for
Oyster, but it's coming, and before long, all the TOCs in London will
move into the 21st century and accept it

True, but I'm not talking about some hypothetical future situation. *But
the real situation on the ground over the past few years. *You're the
one that brought up the subject of the past few years. *Don't try to
wriggle out of it by jumping forwards in time .

You don't like the Oystercard - for whatever reason (probably living
south of the river or paranoid fear that MI5 are watching you and
recording your movements, whatever) - but don't trot out crap that
it's not useful - that is completely and utterly untrue.

Like I said, I'm glad you've found a way of making it useful for you.
Well done. *Congratulations. *But it genuinely isn't useful for people
like me, at least not yet. *And that's not "crap" but a simple fact.

It's not useful for you. It's useful for me. Whatever. However, I've
scarcely bought any paper tickets for a long, long time. I couldn't
give a flying f # if you believe me or not - the fact that you don't
believe me is incredulous. I clearly live a life that's different to
you, living in areas different to you, going to places different to
you. All these places all me to use my Oystercard, and this had led to
me not having to buy paper tickets. And what agenda you think I have
as an "Oystercard apologist", jesus, do you think I'm on the payroll
or something? I believe you obviously have to make a number of
journeys on National Rail rather than the tube (which for some reason,
you've completely taken out of the equation, despite the millions that
use it extensively) but don't ignore the fact that huge swathes of the
population use Oystercards and don't have to buy any other tickets
because that's a fact.

And the sooner every mode of transport in the zones accepts them, the
better.