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These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rear
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, bod43 wrote:
The aircraft industry and the HSE have recognised for decades that routine unsafe operation results in routine deaths, with a bit of luck the HSE will turn their attention further towards road deaths and injuries while "at work" in the near future. That would be nice. Is there any reason to think the chance of this happening is greater than 0%? tom -- I had no idea it was going to end in such tragedy |
These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rear
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
The great joy of London is that it's a human-scale city, you can walk from St Paul's the the National Gallery, wander round for a couple of hours then walk on to the West End for a show. Bendy buses are out of scale, designed for a Continental model which Wren, Hooke and others failed to have applied to London after the fire. You bloody what? When you say 'Continental', is the continent in question North America, or have you just lost your marbles? Or, perhaps, never been to a European city? tom -- I had no idea it was going to end in such tragedy |
These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rear
On Jul 28, 4:44*pm, wrote:
So you can't see why an 18m long vehicle doing this in front of you is more of a problem than a 9m long vehicle? *Really? *In this case the bus pulled onto the roundabout and immediately had to stop for a traffic light, blocking my route to the exit. *A standard length bus would simply not have been a problem. But you can see how long the bus is, why don't you take account of that? Much as though you would probably prefer otherwise, in a head to head with a bus a cyclist isn't going to win so why not just accept that fact and stop complaining when buses get in your way. You can scoot around most obstacles, buses can't. I don't have much option when the bus overtakes me or pulls out in front of me, which is the major source of the problem. I also don't have any control over whether the driver chooses to pull away when I am part way past, although I never start to pass a bus that is indicating. If you want to use a slower and more expensive mode (and take part in the great virus incubation experiment while you do so) then that is your choice :-) OTOH theres little chance of me being run over. Obviously we use different roads - the people crossing the road at Cannon Street seem to be courting just that :o) characteristics - the tail of a bendy bus moves in *much* faster than the trailer of an artic. *Bendy buses are far and away the longest So what? When you encounter a long vehicle for the first time I can understand your concern , but since you deal with them every day whats the problem? If you can't handle the vehicles on the road don't go on it. So you'd be happy with introducing, say, roadtrains into the UK since people would soon get used to them? It doesn't work that way. There are specific characteristics of bendy buses which cause specific problems in specific circumstances, and the buses appear to have been introduced without thought to these problems, which is one reason there is pressure to remove them from the centre of London. Another reason is foolish nostalgia, of course, but that does not nullify the tangible problems they cause. I think there are credible reasons for removing them from some routes. *I am not the only one to think this. *Which indicates to me Some routes yes, where they simply don't fit. But not to get rid of them altogether. I think that's what I said. -- Guy |
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These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rearends round our corners for the final time.
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Lucas wrote:
That's certainly what your candidate of choice seems to believe. (more seriously, it probably is true that although the bendy 25 is a very good bus for Whitechapel Road, it's less good for outer parts of Newham. Similarly, the 29's bendy capacity is needed between Warren Street and Manor House, but again a decker with more seats and less total capacity would be better once you get to Wood Green.) The 29 is awfully busy along the whole route I feel, even after Manor House it stays incredibly busy; and gets busier even because of the big gap between Manor House and Turnpike Lane tube stations that is Harringay. The problem is simply Green Lanes itself which is ridiculously congested and always the slowest part of the route, but I can't think of much of an alternative, given that the only parallel road is also quite busy (Wightman Rd) Fit them with amphibious gear and steam up the New River. tom -- There's no future. |
These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rearends round our corners for the final time.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, James Farrar wrote:
Offramp wrote in news:603ac8ce-e923-4513-acbe- : On 24 July, 23:41, Richard I feel unusually annoyed about this... They are some of the best buses ever to be used in London or anywhere else, in my controversial opinion. I agree entirely. I think it is odd and very wrong that one man's fatwa could get rid of them. He's the Mayor; we elected him. I bloody well didn't. Axe Greater London, i say. Let's have a mayor of London elected by people who live in London, not some transcluded home counties buffoons who mostly still insist that they live in 'Metropolitan Kent' or some such nonsense. Er, ObTransport: trains! Aren't they great? tom -- There's no future. |
These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rear
Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:59:59 -0700 (PDT), "Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote: Do you cycle much in central London? I'm not the only cyclist to find bendy buses to be disproportionately problematic. I'm sure I'm not the only London road user to find cyclists to be disproportionately problematic. It is difficult to imagine a group of road users who are more anti-social, showing, as so many do, scant regard for the Highway Code and complete contempt for other road users, especially pedestrians. No it's not difficult at all! Van drivers Lorry drivers Bus drivers Taxi drivers Private hire drivers Postmen driving vans Police drivers I have witnessed all of the above show "scant regard for the highway code, and complete contempt for other road users, especially pedestrians." This afternoon I drove 3 miles on B and A roads then 3 miles on A dual carriage way then X miles on the motorway and then 4 miles on A and B roads. I saw.... at least 2 vans ( that I can remember) parked on pavements. 1 lorry mount a kerb a corner 1 bus splash pedestrians 1 taxi driver stopping on the zigzags of a zebra crossing 1 Private hire vehicle turning right at a "Buses only" right turn rather then going around the roundabout. 1 post man parken on a brow of hill 1 police car in a yellow box junction. Want a score tomorrow? |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Bruce wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:59:59 -0700 (PDT), "Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote: Do you cycle much in central London? I'm not the only cyclist to find bendy buses to be disproportionately problematic. I'm sure I'm not the only London road user to find cyclists to be disproportionately problematic. It is difficult to imagine a group of road users who are more anti-social, showing, as so many do, scant regard for the Highway Code and complete contempt for other road users, especially pedestrians. I'd be veryr interested to hear why you don't consider cabbies to be road users. Outside of London I consider them barely human. |
These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rear
Marc writes:
Bruce wrote: It is difficult to imagine a group of road users who are more anti-social, showing, as so many do, scant regard for the Highway Code and complete contempt for other road users, especially pedestrians. No it's not difficult at all! Van drivers Lorry drivers Bus drivers Taxi drivers Private hire drivers Postmen driving vans Police drivers and pretty much anyone at all on the A10 between Kingsland and the North Circ. -dan |
These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rear
Marc wrote:
Bruce wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:59:59 -0700 (PDT), "Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote: Do you cycle much in central London? I'm not the only cyclist to find bendy buses to be disproportionately problematic. I'm sure I'm not the only London road user to find cyclists to be disproportionately problematic. It is difficult to imagine a group of road users who are more anti-social, showing, as so many do, scant regard for the Highway Code and complete contempt for other road users, especially pedestrians. No it's not difficult at all! Van drivers Lorry drivers Bus drivers Taxi drivers Private hire drivers Postmen driving vans Police drivers I have witnessed all of the above show "scant regard for the highway code, and complete contempt for other road users, especially pedestrians." This afternoon I drove 3 miles on B and A roads then 3 miles on A dual carriage way then X miles on the motorway and then 4 miles on A and B roads. I saw.... at least 2 vans ( that I can remember) parked on pavements. 1 lorry mount a kerb a corner 1 bus splash pedestrians 1 taxi driver stopping on the zigzags of a zebra crossing 1 Private hire vehicle turning right at a "Buses only" right turn rather then going around the roundabout. 1 post man parken on a brow of hill 1 police car in a yellow box junction. Want a score tomorrow? Taxi driver outside my house sounding his horn whilst stationary and no other road user in sight.... |
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