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"Ian F." wrote in message ... "Phil W Lee" phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote in message ... I suspect the major difference between London bendy buses and their european counterparts is the standard of driver training. Our drivers here are trained? Are you sure? Ian Probably much more thoroughly than most cyclists are trained. Ian. |
These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rear ends round our corners for the final time.
"Ian" writes:
"Ian F." wrote in message ... "Phil W Lee" phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote in message ... I suspect the major difference between London bendy buses and their european counterparts is the standard of driver training. Our drivers here are trained? Are you sure? Ian Probably much more thoroughly than most cyclists are trained. Cyclists are allowed to drive buses without training? That sounds like a recipe for disaster -dan |
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:29:54 +0100, "Ian" wrote:
I suggest you try riding a bike round some European city centres some time. The bus routes in major European cities where bendy buses are common typically run along broad boulevards which are straight or have wide, sweeping bends. The narrow, twisty streets of London are one of the main reasons the late lamented Routemaster was originally developed. Good idea..... you might meet up with some of these... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-articulated_bus Two bendy bits per bus!!! Think yourself lucky in UK, with only one bendy bit! Seen those in Switzerland (Geneva and I think maybe also Zurich). The trams are the ones to watch out for there, though. Or rather the tram lines: it takes a little while to work out how to handle tram lines and lanes the first time you encounter them. Guy -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk |
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:59:36 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: Note also that female cyclists are disproportionately involved in these LGV crushing incidents. It's likely that this is because they are less assertive on the road and more likely to ride too close to the edge. There is a big difference between riding defensively and riding timidly. Without wishing to start a huge sexist debate, it's well known that females have less well developed spatial awareness. (It's because the males developed this in order to be successful hunters, which the females don't generally have to do). I think it's more down to the assertiveness of riding, and tendency to hug the kerb, but I am only speculating. Guy -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk |
These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rear ends round our corners for the final time.
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:29:54 +0100
"Ian" wrote: Good idea..... you might meet up with some of these... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-articulated_bus Two bendy bits per bus!!! Think yourself lucky in UK, with only one bendy bit! As ever the europeans are light years ahead of us in public transport. B2003 |
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:52:00 +0100, Marc
wrote: No it's not difficult at all! Van drivers Lorry drivers Bus drivers Taxi drivers Private hire drivers Postmen driving vans Police drivers I have witnessed all of the above show "scant regard for the highway code, and complete contempt for other road users, especially pedestrians." Frankly you can include all road users in there, even the pedestrians themselves. I don't know of any group of road users which is characterised by obedience to all the rules. And if you think London cyclists are a rabble you should see Copenhagen some time! Guy -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk |
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:22:48 +0100
"Ian" wrote: (Similar considerations on seating apply to double deckers, with yet more seats being lost for space for stairway. A double decker might only have around 24 seats downstairs, but many more than that on the top deck; you may Something that people forget is that the back of top deck of double deckers is unusable during the times kids are travelling to school because the little sods all congregate there and cause mayhem. For whatever psychological reason they don't cause so much trouble on the lower deck or on single deckers including bendy buses. Also the top deck is unusable for anyone infirm or disabled and gets unpleasently hot anyway in the summer sun. Personally I can't stand the things and its not hard to see why they're not that common around the world in city transport systems. B2003 |
These writhing whales of the road have swung their hefty rear ends round our corners for the final time.
In message op.uxtkitu9by8eno@sheepdog, at 09:00:19 on Wed, 29 Jul
2009, Colin McKenzie remarked: Without wishing to start a huge sexist debate, it's well known that females have less well developed spatial awareness. (It's because the males developed this in order to be successful hunters, which the females don't generally have to do). But overall, female cyclists have fewer casualties than male. It's just with HGVs that they seem to be more at risk. Which seems to show that while they are more cautious generally, they don't have the spatial awareness to implement that quite as effectively, near HGVs. -- Roland Perry |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
... Frankly you can include all road users in there, even the pedestrians themselves. I don't know of any group of road users which is characterised by obedience to all the rules. And if you think London cyclists are a rabble you should see Copenhagen some time! Cyclists in Copenhagen are angels compared to the ones I have seen in Beijing and Shanghai. However, they get beaten by cyclists in Caracas and Fortaleza, not to mention Santiago. |
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