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On 4 Aug, 23:03, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:51:56 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: Admittedly, I am often the first to point out the grammatical mistakes of others, but this should not be allowed to obscure the valid point being made by Boltar about *L.U.L. and its staff. Any organisation that has room in its ranks for the likes of Bob Crowe is fatally flawed. You think Bob Crow is a LUL employee? *I think you'll find he's a full time union employee and LUL has little choice put to deal with his union in collective bargaining. The other point here is that he is simply the figurehead - it is the union exec who take the decisions re settlements etc. There's been a bit of a shortage of gratuitous abuse of Bob Crow lately, so this was probably just redressing the balance. Have you noticed what he's done to the weather lately? |
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On Aug 5, 7:23�am, MIG wrote:
On 4 Aug, 23:03, Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:51:56 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: Admittedly, I am often the first to point out the grammatical mistakes of others, but this should not be allowed to obscure the valid point being made by Boltar about �L.U.L. and its staff. Any organisation that has room in its ranks for the likes of Bob Crowe is fatally flawed. You think Bob Crow is a LUL employee? �I think you'll find he's a full time union employee and LUL has little choice put to deal with his union in collective bargaining. The other point here is that he is simply the figurehead - it is the union exec who take the decisions re settlements etc. There's been a bit of a shortage of gratuitous abuse of Bob Crow lately, so this was probably just redressing the balance. �Have you noticed what he's done to the weather lately? I dont't need to invent nonsense regarding Bob Crowe - his own idiocy is more than enough for me. Obviously, the late Peter Sellers had imagined him, several decades in advance, when he played the union leader in "I'm Alright Jack". But there is a difference - that character had at least an appearance of learning and intelligence, characteristics so patently lacking in Crowe. "Gratuitous" suggests "uncalled for". I beg to differ. Indeed, Crowe is a rare example of someone being a parody of himself. Marc. |
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On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:12:14 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: I dont't need to invent nonsense regarding Bob Crowe - his own idiocy is more than enough for me. Obviously, the late Peter Sellers had imagined him, several decades in advance, when he played the union leader in "I'm Alright Jack". But there is a difference - that character had at least an appearance of learning and intelligence, characteristics so patently lacking in Crowe. "Gratuitous" suggests "uncalled for". I beg to differ. Indeed, Crowe is a rare example of someone being a parody of himself. This "Bob Crowe" character sounds appalling. Is he any relation to Bob Crow*, the leader of the RMT union? *When ranting on about an individual's "appearance of learning and intelligence", or lack of it, wouldn't it look better is you used whatever learning and intelligence you have yourself and spelt the person's name correctly? |
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I dont't need to invent nonsense regarding Bob Crowe - his own idiocy is more than enough for me. Bob Crow may be odious, but he's certainly not an idiot. He's well paid, probably popular with his members (for whom he delivers increased wages and holidays on fine days when there's good sport on the telly) and is possibly the best known trade unionist in Britain. I suppose he's the communist equivalent of Michael O'Leary, who is also very successful in what he sets out to do. |
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On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:19:17 +0100
"Recliner" wrote: Bob Crow may be odious, but he's certainly not an idiot. He's well paid, probably popular with his members (for whom he delivers increased wages and holidays on fine days when there's good sport on the telly) and is possibly the best known trade unionist in Britain. I suppose he's the communist equivalent of Michael O'Leary, who is also very successful in what he sets out to do. Bob Crowe isn't the only problem - the union "members" are too. Theres far too many militant idiots who seem to think they deserve endless payrises and unjustifiable conditions of work and constantly vote to go on strike. Reality should be introduced into the rail industry with the idea of a job for life firmly booted into touch. All new workers in the industry should be hired on a rolling contract basis - no more permanent employment. And if they cause trouble or don't want to do their jobs then the contract isn't renewed and someone else from the 3 million unemployed in this country takes their place. B2003 |
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On Aug 5, 10:28*am, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:19:17 +0100 "Recliner" wrote: Bob Crow may be odious, but he's certainly not an idiot. He's well paid, probably popular with his members (for whom he delivers increased wages and holidays on fine days when there's good sport on the telly) and is possibly the best known trade unionist in Britain. I suppose he's the communist equivalent of Michael O'Leary, who is also very successful in what he sets out to do. Bob Crowe isn't the only problem - the union "members" are too. Theres far too many militant idiots who seem to think they deserve endless payrises and unjustifiable conditions of work and constantly vote to go on strike. Reality should be introduced into the rail industry with the idea of a job for life firmly booted into touch. All new workers in the industry should be hired on a rolling contract basis - no more permanent employment. And if they cause trouble or don't want to do their jobs then the contract isn't renewed and someone else from the 3 million unemployed in this country takes their place. And your proposal to get there from where we are now without having months of 'no trains at all' is...? -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 03:27:31 -0700 (PDT)
John B wrote: And your proposal to get there from where we are now without having months of 'no trains at all' is...? Don't know. I guess it depends how much fuss the unions would make about non unionised contractors slowly replacing their members through natural wastage when they retire or leave. There might even be some union members who'd be happy to switch to contracting - as in other areas of work - the contract rates were significantly higher than the permi rates. And once you get to a certain percentage of contract staff you've got the unions over a barrel. B2003 |
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On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 03:27:31 -0700 (PDT) John B wrote: And your proposal to get there from where we are now without having months of 'no trains at all' is...? Don't know. I guess it depends how much fuss the unions would make about non unionised contractors slowly replacing their members through natural wastage when they retire or leave. There might even be some union members who'd be happy to switch to contracting - as in other areas of work - the contract rates were significantly higher than the permi rates. And once you get to a certain percentage of contract staff you've got the unions over a barrel. You usually need to do something more dramatic than that. Reagan dealt with striking air traffic controllers by sacking them all, but US aviation was disrupted for quite a while before they could be fully replaced (air force controllers could only provide a partial, short-term substitute). Murdoch defeated the Fleet Street printing unions, but he had to build a complete new production plant in Wapping, and still had battles with the unions for years. Thatcher dealt with the mining unions by shutting down the pits. I can't see how the railways could do anything like that these days. Privatisation was meant to weaken the railway unions, and maybe it has in parts, but train drivers still strike. However, at least we no longer have nationwide rail strikes. |
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