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In message , Walter Briscoe
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There are 2 fares guides for zones 1-6 and zones 7-9. You can view them
via http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/2930.aspx

Before reading this in full, I had no idea that the system was so
ridiculously complicated - it must completely baffle the visitor from
overseas. And even such a long document appears to give up at some
points - e.g. saying there are special fares on some overground
journeys, "ask at your local station for details".

It was also out-of-date even when first issued. It claims you can use
Oyster on National Rail services between West Hampstead and Moorgate -
would be interesting for TfL to suggest what route to take.




No it wasn't, when it was issued the Moorgate branch of Thameslink was
still in operation, it didn't close until 22 March.

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:48:50 +0100
Clive Page wrote:
In message , Walter Briscoe
writes
There are 2 fares guides for zones 1-6 and zones 7-9. You can view them
via http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/2930.aspx

Before reading this in full, I had no idea that the system was so
ridiculously complicated - it must completely baffle the visitor from

If it wasn't so complicated there'd be less scope to fleece people. You
can't overcharge if theres a flat fare or simple zoning.

Oh , as an aside , if you now enter a station using PAYG, remember you've
forgotten something and leave again it'll now cost you 4 quid for the
priviledge. It used to be about a quid but obviously that didn't rake in
enough cash from people who forgot umbrellas etc.

B2003

On Sep 21, 9:48*am, Clive Page wrote:
In message , Walter Briscoe
writes

There are 2 fares guides for zones 1-6 and zones 7-9. You can view them
via http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/2930.aspx

Before reading this in full, I had no idea that the system was so
ridiculously complicated - it must completely baffle the visitor from
overseas. *And even such a long document appears to give up at some
points - e.g. saying there are special fares on some overground
journeys, "ask at your local station for details".

It was also out-of-date even when first issued. *It claims you can use
Oyster on National Rail services between West Hampstead and Moorgate -
would be interesting for TfL to suggest what route to take.

West Hampstead -LO- Highbury & Islington -FCC- Moorgate?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Sep 20, 9:47*am, Walter Briscoe
wrote:
In message
s.com of Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:38:34 in uk.transport.london,
" writes

On Sep 14, 5:34*pm, "Nicks" wrote:
Picked up one at an underground station today - new tube map posters are
also up - quite a lot of design changes made! River Thames has disappeared
and zones are no longer shown.

Nicks

Actually NYC eliminated the zone map in the 70's

Irrelevantly interesting
I worked in NYC in 1983.
All journeys were flat rate and cost a token which AFAIR cost $0.90.

London Underground has distance-related charging by zones.
The cost of most journeys is a complicated function of class of customer
(Adult; child 0-10; child 11-15; etc.), oyster or paper ticket, peak or
off peak and zones traversed.

Losing zones from the maps seems gross to me.

There are 2 fares guides for zones 1-6 and zones 7-9. You can view them
via http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/2930.aspx

Just to make things interesting, paper guides at stations are slightly
obsolete. They say Oyster Pay as You Go Journeys must be completed in
2.5 hours; reality and web documents say 70 minutes to 4 hours.
--
Walter Briscoe


Between 1956 and circa 1973 there was an extra fare charged on the A
Rockaway line south of howard beach