In the thread "Crossrail preferred route" earlier this month, I raised the
question of what happens to the 6 tph westbound after 12 tph go to Richmond
(of which 4 tph continue to Kingston) and 6 tph go to Heathrow. At the
exhibition in Paddington Library this week, a Crossrail representative said
that the remaining 6 tph would terminate at Paddington. They would then run
empty up to the surface where some reversing sidings would be provided.

The Crossrail station at Paddington will have only 2 platforms. This means
that in the peak 24 tph westbound service, every fourth train will have to
be emptied on the sole westbound track, presumably with tube-style positive
checks that each of the 10 cars is empty, before proceeding to the sidings.
Is this practicable when the service interval is 2.5 minutes? The only
similar situation on LU that I can think of is at Rayners Lane, but I think
that the combined Piccadilly/Metropolitan frequency there is not as
demanding. Are there any other examples of trains in a frequent service
being terminated on the same track as following through services?
--
Richard J.
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In the thread "Crossrail preferred route" earlier this month,
I raised the question of what happens to the 6 tph westbound
after 12 tph go to Richmond (of which 4 tph continue to
Kingston) and 6 tph go to Heathrow. At the exhibition in
Paddington Library this week, a Crossrail representative
said that the remaining 6 tph would terminate at Paddington.

They are saying that, but I don't think they mean it.

They would then run empty up to the surface
where some reversing sidings would be provided.

Are there any other examples of trains in a frequent service
being terminated on the same track as following through services?

Central Line at Liverpool Street (where an incompletely cleared train was
responsible for a fatality a few years back, but I don't know what the
frequency was at the hour of the fatality).
Bakerloo at Queens Park.
Kennington Charing Cross branch.
Somewhere on the Jubilee.... Willesden Green, I think.

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Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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"Richard J." wrote in message
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In the thread "Crossrail preferred route" earlier this month,
I raised the question of what happens to the 6 tph westbound
after 12 tph go to Richmond (of which 4 tph continue to
Kingston) and 6 tph go to Heathrow. At the exhibition in
Paddington Library this week, a Crossrail representative
said that the remaining 6 tph would terminate at Paddington.

They are saying that, but I don't think they mean it.

They expressed doubts about the cost-benefit of extending to, say, Slough.
Although this makes the line unbalanced, it supports the regeneration
projects in the east.

They would then run empty up to the surface
where some reversing sidings would be provided.

Are there any other examples of trains in a frequent service
being terminated on the same track as following through services?

Central Line at Liverpool Street (where an incompletely cleared train was
responsible for a fatality a few years back, but I don't know what the
frequency was at the hour of the fatality).
Bakerloo at Queens Park.
Kennington Charing Cross branch.
Somewhere on the Jubilee.... Willesden Green, I think.

Thanks. Was it the Liverpool Street fatality that led to the current rules
about checking every car? And were the Central & Bakerloo timetables
altered to allow for the longer dwell time when tipping out?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Central Line at Liverpool Street (where an incompletely cleared train was
responsible for a fatality a few years back, but I don't know what the
frequency was at the hour of the fatality).

What on earth happened? how did an incompletely cleared train lead to a death?

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Central Line at Liverpool Street (where an incompletely cleared train
was
responsible for a fatality a few years back, but I don't know what the
frequency was at the hour of the fatality).

What on earth happened? how did an incompletely cleared train lead to a
death?

The Tube driver killed him?

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"dan" wrote in message
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Central Line at Liverpool Street (where an incompletely cleared
train
was
responsible for a fatality a few years back, but I don't know what
the
frequency was at the hour of the fatality).

What on earth happened? how did an incompletely cleared train lead to a
death?

The Tube driver killed him?

As was the practice on lul, trains that were going to sidings and comeing
back out again was an anouncement over the trains PA. at liverpool st the
drive made the anouncement and after he thought the train was emptied he
closed the doors went into the siding. on the way into the siding a bloke on
train woke up and tried to leave the train by jumping out between the
carridges onto the platform. but he mistimed it and jumped out into the
tunnel. hit the wall and fell under the last carridge. now all trains have
to be manually check before reversings via sidings.

Central Line at Liverpool Street (where an incompletely cleared train was
responsible for a fatality a few years back, but I don't know what the
frequency was at the hour of the fatality).
Bakerloo at Queens Park.
Kennington Charing Cross branch.
Somewhere on the Jubilee.... Willesden Green, I think.

wasn't it between 28tph and 33tph

"Rob" wrote in message ...

Central Line at Liverpool Street (where an incompletely cleared train was
responsible for a fatality a few years back, but I don't know what the
frequency was at the hour of the fatality).
Bakerloo at Queens Park.
Kennington Charing Cross branch.
Somewhere on the Jubilee.... Willesden Green, I think.

wasn't it between 28tph and 33tph

Isn't there a loop at kennington? There used to be.

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Isn't that tunnel incident the one where the guy tried to get out
between carraiges when he realised it had terminated and the tunnel
went round a corner and squashed him? Always men isn't it, we're not
too clever. I can't imagine that happening on a passenger-laden train.

On 1 Nov 2003 14:09:12 -0800, (CJC)
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Isn't that tunnel incident the one where the guy tried to get out
between carraiges when he realised it had terminated and the tunnel
went round a corner and squashed him? Always men isn't it, we're not
too clever. I can't imagine that happening on a passenger-laden train.


Sort of.


The incident involved a Central Line train terminating at Liverpool
Street. The guy got squashed as he tried to get out between the cars
when it was shunting to the sidings east of Liverpool Street.

Others here know more...


Rob.
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rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

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Kennington Charing Cross branch.

Isn't there a loop at kennington?

Yes. So? The train still has to be cleared with the following train queueing
behind it, just as it would at Paddington Crossrail

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes