On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:49:33 -0700 (PDT),
trainmanUK wrote:
Only problem I can see is that the detail of the oyster card may be in
his reader. If he still believes, incorrectly, that you are in the
wrong he could possibly cancel the oyster card. If it was registered
you might get a letter with a penalty fare request. Just keep the
ODTC and wait and see what happens

The barriers at the end of his journey probably ate that. (They do at
Watford Junction anyway which is a nuisance because I was hoping to scan
my last one and ask here what is was actually valid for. It had
something about zones 7-9 on it and I was going to ask if that meant it
was a travel card all the way out to Watford High Street - which could
be useful if I ever discovered I needed to make two trips into London as
home to Watford High Street is a shorter walk than home to Watford Met)

Tim.

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On Oct 27, 10:52*am, Tim Woodall wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:49:33 -0700 (PDT),
* * trainmanUK wrote: Only problem I can see is that the detail of the oyster card may be in
his reader. *If he still believes, incorrectly, that you are in the
wrong he could possibly cancel the oyster card. *If it was registered
you might get a letter with a penalty fare request. *Just keep the
ODTC and wait and see what happens

The barriers at the end of his journey probably ate that. (They do at
Watford Junction anyway which is a nuisance because I was hoping to scan
my last one and ask here what is was actually valid for. It had
something about zones 7-9 on it and I was going to ask if that meant it
was a travel card all the way out to Watford High Street - which could
be useful if I ever discovered I needed to make two trips into London as
home to Watford High Street is a shorter walk than home to Watford Met)

Tim.

If you touched in at Watford High Street, got the London Overground
service to Watford Junction, then the London Midland fast train into
London would you be charged the lower fare on your oyster rather than
touching in at Watford Junction?

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:17:14 -0700 (PDT),
burkey wrote:
On Oct 27, 10:52*am, Tim Woodall wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:49:33 -0700 (PDT),
* * trainmanUK wrote: Only problem I can see is that the detail of the oyster card may be in
his reader. *If he still believes, incorrectly, that you are in the
wrong he could possibly cancel the oyster card. *If it was registered
you might get a letter with a penalty fare request. *Just keep the
ODTC and wait and see what happens

The barriers at the end of his journey probably ate that. (They do at
Watford Junction anyway which is a nuisance because I was hoping to scan
my last one and ask here what is was actually valid for. It had
something about zones 7-9 on it and I was going to ask if that meant it
was a travel card all the way out to Watford High Street - which could
be useful if I ever discovered I needed to make two trips into London as
home to Watford High Street is a shorter walk than home to Watford Met)

Tim.

If you touched in at Watford High Street, got the London Overground
service to Watford Junction, then the London Midland fast train into
London would you be charged the lower fare on your oyster rather than
touching in at Watford Junction?

Yes. I'm not sure if this is allowed but I don't know anything in the
rules that would disallow it and at the moment it would be impossible to
detect as when you're on the overground train you would be going from
Watford High Street to Watford Junction and when you got on the train to
Euston at Watford Junction the guards don't have readers so they cannot
tell where you touched in (or if you did at all)

I don't know if the timings would be any better than taking the train to
Bushey and changing there instead other than there is a higher frequency
of trains from Watford Junction.

Tim.



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God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t,"
and there was light.

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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:52:12 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall wrote:

Only problem I can see is that the detail of the oyster card may be in
his reader. If he still believes, incorrectly, that you are in the
wrong he could possibly cancel the oyster card. If it was registered
you might get a letter with a penalty fare request. Just keep the
ODTC and wait and see what happens

The barriers at the end of his journey probably ate that. (They do at
Watford Junction anyway

That's naughty - they're still valid on the 258.

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:56:33 +0000, asdf
wrote:

The barriers at the end of his journey probably ate that. (They do at
Watford Junction anyway

That's naughty - they're still valid on the 258.

AIUI, an outboundary ODTC loses its validity on return to the
originating station. So it might be inconvenient, but I don't think
it's strictly naughty.

Neil

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(Neil Williams) wrote:

AIUI, an outboundary ODTC loses its validity on return to the
originating station. So it might be inconvenient, but I don't think
it's strictly naughty.

I Still have the ticket :-)

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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:00:50 GMT, Neil Williams wrote:

The barriers at the end of his journey probably ate that. (They do at
Watford Junction anyway

That's naughty - they're still valid on the 258.

AIUI, an outboundary ODTC loses its validity on return to the
originating station. So it might be inconvenient, but I don't think
it's strictly naughty.

I'm sure I've read something official about them still being valid on
TfL buses outside the zones, but can't find where now.

"asdf" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:00:50 GMT, Neil Williams wrote:

The barriers at the end of his journey probably ate that. (They do
at
Watford Junction anyway

That's naughty - they're still valid on the 258.

AIUI, an outboundary ODTC loses its validity on return to the
originating station. So it might be inconvenient, but I don't think
it's strictly naughty.

I'm sure I've read something official about them still being valid on
TfL buses outside the zones, but can't find where now.

The Manual states

On completion of the return journey Out-boundary Day Travelcards are not
valid for further journeys into the Travelcard area. However, customers
may, upon request, retain their ticket for further journeys that are
wholly within Fare Zones 1-6 only and on the day for which the ticket is
valid. They may also be retained for travel on permitted London bus
services that operate outside the London Fare Zones area. Details of
available bus services are published by Transport for London.

Peter Smyth

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:20:48 -0000,
Peter Smyth wrote:

"asdf" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:00:50 GMT, Neil Williams wrote:

The barriers at the end of his journey probably ate that. (They do
at
Watford Junction anyway

That's naughty - they're still valid on the 258.

AIUI, an outboundary ODTC loses its validity on return to the
originating station. So it might be inconvenient, but I don't think
it's strictly naughty.

I'm sure I've read something official about them still being valid on
TfL buses outside the zones, but can't find where now.

The Manual states

On completion of the return journey Out-boundary Day Travelcards are not
valid for further journeys into the Travelcard area. However, customers
may, upon request, retain their ticket for further journeys that are
wholly within Fare Zones 1-6 only and on the day for which the ticket is
valid. They may also be retained for travel on permitted London bus
services that operate outside the London Fare Zones area. Details of
available bus services are published by Transport for London.

That's very interesting. Because if you ask to keep your ticket at
Watford Junction they deliberately put a tear into the magnetic strip.
Of course, this could just be to force you to show your ticket - when in
zones 1-6 it would be accepted, at WJ it would be rejected.

Tim.


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God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t,"
and there was light.

http://www.woodall.me.uk/

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:56:33PM +0000, asdf wrote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:52:12 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall wrote:
Just keep the ODTC and wait and see what happens
The barriers at the end of his journey probably ate that. (They do at
Watford Junction anyway
That's naughty - they're still valid on the 258.

They're also valid for another journey from Watford Junction going back
the other way.

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