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Forum: London Transport February 12th 05, 03:16 PM
Replies: 130
Views: 27,047
Posted By Solar Penguin
Future of CDRs and NR season tickets in TfL zones?

--- Dave Arquati said...


What makes you think that passengers to Waterloo are paying twice the
distance they're travelling? Given that the number of people
travelling from Morden to Zone 1...
Forum: London Transport February 12th 05, 02:29 PM
Replies: 130
Views: 27,047
Posted By Solar Penguin
Future of CDRs and NR season tickets in TfL zones?

--- Alan J. Flavell said...

When zone-based fares are used, it's always possible to find
anomalies.

Yes, it's "always possible". Always possible, because zone based
systems *always* go against...
Forum: London Transport February 12th 05, 02:08 PM
Replies: 130
Views: 27,047
Posted By Solar Penguin
Future of CDRs and NR season tickets in TfL zones?

--- Mrs Redboots said...

Still untrue. You can buy a Network Rail ticket & a Tube ticket
separately, there's no law requiring you to buy a Travelcard! Of
course, the former would cost you a...
Forum: London Transport February 12th 05, 12:39 PM
Replies: 130
Views: 27,047
Posted By Solar Penguin
Future of CDRs and NR season tickets in TfL zones?

--- tim said...


It's complicated in the sense that all journeys are individually
priced.

And why is being individually priced a bad thing? Look at the example I
gave elsewhere in the thread:...
Forum: London Transport February 12th 05, 12:05 PM
Replies: 130
Views: 27,047
Posted By Solar Penguin
Future of CDRs and NR season tickets in TfL zones?

--- Mrs Redboots said...

Solar Penguin wrote to uk.transport.london on Sat, 12 Feb 2005:

Not a pleasant way to travel at the best of times.

But infinitely preferable to the Tube!

And...
Forum: London Transport February 12th 05, 11:20 AM
Replies: 130
Views: 27,047
Posted By Solar Penguin
Future of CDRs and NR season tickets in TfL zones?

--- Mrs Redboots said...

Why? It is probably cheaper (almost certainly, if you have Pre-pay)
to buy a ticket from Oxford Circus to Brixton & then take one of the
3 or 4 buses that go from...
Forum: London Transport February 12th 05, 11:12 AM
Replies: 130
Views: 27,047
Posted By Solar Penguin
Future of CDRs and NR season tickets in TfL zones?

--- Solar Penguin said...


For example, the development of GPS systems means that it's possible
to calculate the straight-line, as-the-crow-flies distance between
stations, and use that as a...
Forum: London Transport February 12th 05, 10:30 AM
Replies: 130
Views: 27,047
Posted By Solar Penguin
Future of CDRs and NR season tickets in TfL zones?

--- Dave Arquati said...


I fail to see how an uncomplicated system which people can actually
understand is a problem. Zones are essentially distance-based

Distance based? Then how come a...
Forum: London Transport February 11th 05, 03:20 PM
Replies: 130
Views: 27,047
Posted By Solar Penguin
Future of CDRs and NR season tickets in TfL zones?

--- Rich Mallard said...

If this ever comes about and NR seasons are scrapped,
it will even be cheaper for me to get a rail-only season from outside
the TfL zones (Dartford, 20 quid per month...
Forum: London Transport February 11th 05, 03:10 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 11,299
Posted By Solar Penguin
Easier - Stanstead or Luton to London

--- Pete said...

I'm heading to the Westminster area of London next week and I have the
option of flying into either Stanstead or Luton. Which airport has the
better rail links to this part of...
Forum: London Transport February 11th 05, 03:01 PM
Replies: 63
Views: 9,892
Posted By Solar Penguin
New victoria line trains

--- Boltar said...


True , they are narrow , but small people and kids can sit happily on
them and larger people choose to stand.

Eh??? What!?! Larger people do *not* willingly choose to...
Forum: London Transport February 11th 05, 02:32 PM
Replies: 63
Views: 9,892
Posted By Solar Penguin
New victoria line trains

--- Mrs Redboots said...

Tony Wilson wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 9 Feb 2005:

There aren't any
accessible Victoria line stations now, so I would be amazed if any
use it at...
Forum: London Transport February 4th 05, 07:39 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 3,246
Posted By Solar Penguin
Departing from Gatwick, returning from Heathrow

--- Michael Hoffman said...

Hmmm... If I really wanted to save that 70p I could go to Earls Court
on the Picc, go back to West Brompton, leave the barriers with Oyster,
come back in with my...
Forum: London Transport January 23rd 05, 10:54 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 5,735
Posted By Solar Penguin
LUL Drivers Work to Rule

--- Paul Weaver said...


If you dont like your job, hand in your notice and leave. It's not
hard.

OTOH the ability to drive an Underground train is not a transferable
skill. Face it, TfL and...
Forum: London Transport January 17th 05, 05:05 PM
Replies: 136
Views: 23,554
Posted By Solar Penguin
London or Not (try to cross-post to uk.transport.kent ??)

--- Nick said...


Yawn. Have you actually got anything to say on the subject we're
discussing rather than making petty comments on the sidelines?

I don't think anyone's got anything...
Forum: London Transport January 16th 05, 12:17 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 970
Posted By Solar Penguin
Another Fare Oddity

--- Colin Rosenstiel said...

In article ,
(Zac) wrote:

Any ideas why it is cheaper ?

Possibly because it's a fare set by...
Forum: London Transport January 16th 05, 12:12 AM
Replies: 136
Views: 23,554
Posted By Solar Penguin
London or Not (try to cross-post to uk.transport.kent ??)

--- John Rowland said...

"Solar Penguin" wrote in message

(And the fact that he reads and posts to
uk.transport.london - not uk.transport.kent - in the first...
Forum: London Transport January 15th 05, 11:37 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 970
Posted By Solar Penguin
Another Fare Oddity

--- Zac said...

I was making a journey last week from Tottenham Hale to
Stansted Mountfitchet. (*SNIP*) it was cheaper to get a
ticket from Tottenham Hale, rather than Bound. Zone 4.

Any...
Forum: London Transport January 15th 05, 11:08 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 6,286
Posted By Solar Penguin
London Underground Song

--- Paul Corfield said...


The point is whether you believe all the lyrics to be true - I don't
but
whether you or I like it or not there is a cross section of the public
who hate LUL, its...
Forum: London Transport January 15th 05, 10:51 PM
Replies: 136
Views: 23,554
Posted By Solar Penguin
London or Not (try to cross-post to uk.transport.kent ??)

--- Rich Mallard said...

"Solar Penguin" wrote in message

I only ask because when people are trapped in a losing argument
(especially in Usenet) they...
Forum: London Transport January 13th 05, 08:14 AM
Replies: 53
Views: 9,660
Posted By Solar Penguin
Oyster prepay fare capping

--- peter said...

If you take into account the cost of maintenance, staff wages,
depreciation, management costs, and all the other fixed costs,
the actual cost of a 2 hr journey is probable...
Forum: London Transport January 13th 05, 08:10 AM
Replies: 136
Views: 23,554
Posted By Solar Penguin
London or Not (try to cross-post to uk.transport.kent ??)

--- Nick said...


we have a right to label our area as Kent if we wish.
(*snip*)
don't deny my neighbours'
and my right to choose our county affiliation.

Is this really a right? Is it...
Forum: London Transport January 13th 05, 01:16 AM
Replies: 53
Views: 9,660
Posted By Solar Penguin
Oyster prepay fare capping

--- Paul Corfield said...


All that would happen would be that fares would rise
overall to deal with the mileage and related cost that you
cling to as some sort of justification for adopting...
Forum: London Transport January 13th 05, 12:18 AM
Replies: 53
Views: 9,660
Posted By Solar Penguin
Oyster prepay fare capping

--- Neil Williams said...


OK, how about a radical change? Replace the single with a 2-hour
ticket, and legitimise what you suggest. They do that in Prague.


That's no good. It would...
Forum: London Transport January 9th 05, 09:16 AM
Replies: 53
Views: 9,660
Posted By Solar Penguin
Oyster prepay fare capping

--- Phil Richards said...
Solar Penguin wrote:

And even better still for LUL to adopt point-to-point instead of all
that zone nonsense.

Why not be silly enough to suggest that London...
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