On 18 July, 14:59, Clive wrote:
In message , Paul Corfield
writesEven the Standard has been quite
ferocious on the lorry / bicycle accident issue in London and I don't
think we have a coherent position from City Hall about to properly deal
with increasing cycling and having huge lorries on the road.

May be a course of cycle proficiency would be in order, as it should
instruct cyclists that stopping at the left side of a lorry about to
turn left is not in there best interest, if they are looking for a long
life.
--
Clive

The solution, then, when a lorry pulls up on the right, is to proceed
through the red light before the lorry turns. Or are you one of those
people who think that cyclists should always be in the middle of the
lane, because that's where cars go, and should not let motor vehicles
overtake them?

In message
, MIG
writes
The solution, then, when a lorry pulls up on the right, is to proceed
through the red light before the lorry turns. Or are you one of those
people who think that cyclists should always be in the middle of the
lane, because that's where cars go, and should not let motor vehicles
overtake them?
No, I think that, like other road users, cyclists are responsible for
their own action. It is up to them to take appropriate action, like
passing left turning vehicles on the right and vice-versa. Where there
is doubt then stay behind, in short just stay safe. It's not my duty
to look out for every other road user and in this neck of the woods,
cyclists are few and far between, but I have driven in London and ridden
on the top deck of buses and quite frankly the behaviour of cyclists
there is abysmal.
--
Clive

I wonder how long before some adolescent and his mates come along and
start destroying them.

In article ,
(Paul Terry) wrote:

In message ,
writes

Thanks. As in another comment of mine, Smith Square will be much nearer
than Abbey Orchard St as my office is quite close to Millbank.
Curiously I've not noticed works in Smith Square and I've been there a
couple of times in recent weeks. Must be hidden away in a corner I
don't go to, by the old Tory Central Office perhaps.

The plan was to site it outside No.34 (next door to the old Central
Office, although I think it was actually used as an extension to
No.32).

However, Westminster refused planning permission on the grounds
that it was too close to St John's (Grade 1 listed) and various
nearby Grade 2 listed buildings. (It also so happened that
Westminster would have lost two lucrative parking bays had planning
been granted).

I think TfL are now seeking a site in the short road that runs
south from the square (Dean Bradley Street). I fear it's unlikely
to be one of the docking stations ready at the launch of the scheme.

Ah! Thanks for that update. Dean Bradley St wouldn't be so good for me. I
would have thought that Dean Ryle St (leading East towards Millbank) would
be a better alternative..

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

On 18/07/2010 13:10, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, David Walters wrote:

The payment station takes credit cards, and keys,

But not Oyster?

Maybe the deposit is more than anyone has on their Oyster card.

What deposits? How will the enforce the excess charges?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Clive) wrote:

In message , Paul
Corfield writes
Even the Standard has been quite
ferocious on the lorry / bicycle accident issue in London and I don't
think we have a coherent position from City Hall about to properly deal
with increasing cycling and having huge lorries on the road.
May be a course of cycle proficiency would be in order, as it
should instruct cyclists that stopping at the left side of a lorry
about to turn left is not in there best interest, if they are
looking for a long life.

A tad difficult if the cycle gets there first or the lorries are blocking
cycle lanes.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Jul 18, 10:11*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

On 18/07/2010 13:10, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, David Walters wrote:

The payment station takes credit cards, and keys,

But not Oyster?

Maybe the deposit is more than anyone has on their Oyster card.

What deposits? How will the enforce the excess charges?

Card pre-authorisation.

In article ,
(Clive) wrote:

In message
,
MIG writes
The solution, then, when a lorry pulls up on the right, is to proceed
through the red light before the lorry turns. Or are you one of those
people who think that cyclists should always be in the middle of the
lane, because that's where cars go, and should not let motor vehicles
overtake them?
No, I think that, like other road users, cyclists are responsible
for their own action. It is up to them to take appropriate
action, like passing left turning vehicles on the right and
vice-versa. Where there is doubt then stay behind, in short just
stay safe. It's not my duty to look out for every other road user
and in this neck of the woods, cyclists are few and far between,
but I have driven in London and ridden on the top deck of buses and
quite frankly the behaviour of cyclists there is abysmal.

Why should vehicles that are a danger to other road users (pedestrians as
well as cyclists) be allowed on roads where they are found? Any vehicle
whose driver can't see its near side is in that category.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message ,
writes
Why should vehicles that are a danger to other road users (pedestrians as
well as cyclists) be allowed on roads where they are found? Any vehicle
whose driver can't see its near side is in that category.
Pedestrians shouldn't be on the road in the first place, just like
cyclists shouldn't be on the pavement. Cyclists should know when they
are in the blind spot of a large vehicle, if the don't then the road is
not the place to be, hence they need to be trained. Anyway, what
counts is safety and if a question exists about your safety on a bike
then your obvious place is behind where you can't be crushed between
rear wheels and a guard rail.
--
Clive

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Jul 18, 10:11*pm, wrote:

In article ,
(Basil Jet) wrote:

On 18/07/2010 13:10, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, David Walters wrote:

The payment station takes credit cards, and keys,

But not Oyster?

Maybe the deposit is more than anyone has on their Oyster card.

What deposits? How will the enforce the excess charges?

Card pre-authorisation.

Makes sense. Another detail not (yet) on the web site, though.

--
Colin Rosenstiel