On Aug 22, 1:21*am, Josie wrote:
On 14/08/2010 18:28, Mizter T wrote:

However it won't open any Zone 1 gate - though if you're in the system
and want to get out, then I understand you'll be let out without any
problems (in zone 1 at least), though the same ticket can't be used to
get back into the Underground system (i.e. there's no Break of Journey
allowed for the cross-London Underground leg of the journey).

This is what I thought, but the chap on the gateline at Russell Square
tried to refuse me exit on a Manchester-Guildford ticket recently - he
said that a point-to-point NR ticket was only valid for LU transfer and
not to leave the station. I explained that I was allowed to leave the
station but that I wouldn't be able to get back in, but he insisted that
I needed to buy a new ticket. I asked to talk to someone from the ticket
office (which was closed), so he went and spoke to a nearby Revenue
officer and came back saying that it was "a grey area" and he'd let me
out this time but only because the ticket office was closed. Hmph.


The National Rail website clearly states that the tickets can only be
used at the stations in the list he

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...elling_connect

So technically a through National Rail ticket isn't valid at Russell
Square. Whether you get let through the barriers, other than at these
'cross-London' stations, is more a matter of luck than right.

On 22/08/2010 13:21, Andy wrote:
On Aug 22, 1:21 am, wrote:
On 14/08/2010 18:28, Mizter T wrote:

However it won't open any Zone 1 gate - though if you're in the system
and want to get out, then I understand you'll be let out without any
problems (in zone 1 at least), though the same ticket can't be used to
get back into the Underground system (i.e. there's no Break of Journey
allowed for the cross-London Underground leg of the journey).

This is what I thought, but the chap on the gateline at Russell Square
tried to refuse me exit on a Manchester-Guildford ticket recently - he
said that a point-to-point NR ticket was only valid for LU transfer and
not to leave the station. I explained that I was allowed to leave the
station but that I wouldn't be able to get back in, but he insisted that
I needed to buy a new ticket. I asked to talk to someone from the ticket
office (which was closed), so he went and spoke to a nearby Revenue
officer and came back saying that it was "a grey area" and he'd let me
out this time but only because the ticket office was closed. Hmph.


The National Rail website clearly states that the tickets can only be
used at the stations in the list he

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...elling_connect

So technically a through National Rail ticket isn't valid at Russell
Square. Whether you get let through the barriers, other than at these
'cross-London' stations, is more a matter of luck than right.

From that website:

"You can ‘break your transfer journey' and leave the Underground at any
intermediate station, e.g. if you travelling between Victoria and Euston
you can exit at Oxford Circus. However, if you subsequently wish to
continue your journey by Underground you will have to purchase another
ticket."

--
Josie
Reverse 'liar' to e-mail me.

"Andy" wrote in message
...

The National Rail website clearly states that the tickets can only be
used at the stations in the list he

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...elling_connect

So technically a through National Rail ticket isn't valid at Russell
Square. Whether you get let through the barriers, other than at these
'cross-London' stations, is more a matter of luck than right.

Presumably you didn't read the whole section that you linked to then...

Paul S

On Aug 22, 1:24*pm, Josie wrote:
On 22/08/2010 13:21, Andy wrote:





On Aug 22, 1:21 am, *wrote:
On 14/08/2010 18:28, Mizter T wrote:

However it won't open any Zone 1 gate - though if you're in the system
and want to get out, then I understand you'll be let out without any
problems (in zone 1 at least), though the same ticket can't be used to
get back into the Underground system (i.e. there's no Break of Journey
allowed for the cross-London Underground leg of the journey).

This is what I thought, but the chap on the gateline at Russell Square
tried to refuse me exit on a Manchester-Guildford ticket recently - he
said that a point-to-point NR ticket was only valid for LU transfer and
not to leave the station. I explained that I was allowed to leave the
station but that I wouldn't be able to get back in, but he insisted that
I needed to buy a new ticket. I asked to talk to someone from the ticket
office (which was closed), so he went and spoke to a nearby Revenue
officer and came back saying that it was "a grey area" and he'd let me
out this time but only because the ticket office was closed. Hmph.

The National Rail website clearly states that the tickets can only be
used at the stations in the list he

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...crossing_londo...

So technically a through National Rail ticket isn't valid at Russell
Square. Whether you get let through the barriers, other than at these
'cross-London' stations, is more a matter of luck than right.

*From that website:

"You can ‘break your transfer journey' and leave the Underground at any
intermediate station, e.g. if you travelling between Victoria and Euston
you can exit at Oxford Circus. However, if you subsequently wish to
continue your journey by Underground you will have to purchase another
ticket."


I missed that bit, but when did that change to the rules come in? The
cross-London component of the fare is less than the normal LU single
and there is no statement about these tickets in the TfL conditions of
carriage. The national rail conditions of carriage (http://
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...misc/NRCOC.pdf,
condition 16) state that break of journey isn't allowed on LU
(although the wording is, as always, a bit ambiguous only talking
about entitlement to break and resume a journey not exit and buy a new
ticket).

On Aug 22, 1:30*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message

...

The National Rail website clearly states that the tickets can only be
used at the stations in the list he

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...crossing_londo...

So technically a through National Rail ticket isn't valid at Russell
Square. Whether you get let through the barriers, other than at these
'cross-London' stations, is more a matter of luck than right.

Presumably you didn't read the whole section that you linked to then...


I took a short cut, rather than checking the Conditions of Carriage.
There is no mention of this entitlement anywhere except the part of
the National Rail website I linked to. It never used to be the case
that such tickets were valid at intermediate stations (which is why
they don't open the gates).

On 22/08/2010 13:43, Andy wrote:
From that website:

"You can ‘break your transfer journey' and leave the Underground at any
intermediate station, e.g. if you travelling between Victoria and Euston
you can exit at Oxford Circus. However, if you subsequently wish to
continue your journey by Underground you will have to purchase another
ticket."


I missed that bit, but when did that change to the rules come in? The
cross-London component of the fare is less than the normal LU single
and there is no statement about these tickets in the TfL conditions of
carriage. The national rail conditions of carriage (http://
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...misc/NRCOC.pdf,
condition 16) state that break of journey isn't allowed on LU
(although the wording is, as always, a bit ambiguous only talking
about entitlement to break and resume a journey not exit and buy a new
ticket).

*shrug* Don't know, but I've certainly read about it on these here
newsgroups in the past. I've also put it into practice as well - showed
my ticket to a member of staff at Holborn about 18 months ago, who
cheerfully asked, "You're breaking your journey, yes?" and then opened
the gate for me.

--
Josie
Reverse 'liar' to e-mail me.

"Andy" wrote in message
...
On Aug 22, 1:30 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message

...

The National Rail website clearly states that the tickets can only be
used at the stations in the list he

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...crossing_londo...

So technically a through National Rail ticket isn't valid at Russell
Square. Whether you get let through the barriers, other than at these
'cross-London' stations, is more a matter of luck than right.

Presumably you didn't read the whole section that you linked to then...

I took a short cut, rather than checking the Conditions of Carriage.
There is no mention of this entitlement anywhere except the part of
the National Rail website I linked to. It never used to be the case
that such tickets were valid at intermediate stations (which is why
they don't open the gates).

This limitation of the gates had already been discussed in earlier parts of
the thread [that unfortunately only appeared in uk.transport.london]

Paul S

On Aug 22, 2:07*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message

...





On Aug 22, 1:30 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message

....

The National Rail website clearly states that the tickets can only be
used at the stations in the list he

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...crossing_londo....

So technically a through National Rail ticket isn't valid at Russell
Square. Whether you get let through the barriers, other than at these
'cross-London' stations, is more a matter of luck than right.

Presumably you didn't read the whole section that you linked to then....

I took a short cut, rather than checking the Conditions of Carriage.
There is no mention of this entitlement anywhere except the part of
the National Rail website I linked to. It never used to be the case
that such tickets were valid at intermediate stations (which is why
they don't open the gates).

This limitation of the gates had already been discussed in earlier parts of
the thread [that unfortunately only appeared in uk.transport.london]


I'm surprised that TfL accepted such a change, as they get limited
revenue from the cross-London tickets, compared to the two full fare
singles which used to be needed.

On 22 Aug, 15:01, Andy wrote:
On Aug 22, 2:07*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:





"Andy" wrote in message

....

On Aug 22, 1:30 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message

...

The National Rail website clearly states that the tickets can only be
used at the stations in the list he

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...crossing_londo...

So technically a through National Rail ticket isn't valid at Russell
Square. Whether you get let through the barriers, other than at these
'cross-London' stations, is more a matter of luck than right.

Presumably you didn't read the whole section that you linked to then....

I took a short cut, rather than checking the Conditions of Carriage.
There is no mention of this entitlement anywhere except the part of
the National Rail website I linked to. It never used to be the case
that such tickets were valid at intermediate stations (which is why
they don't open the gates).

This limitation of the gates had already been discussed in earlier parts of
the thread [that unfortunately only appeared in uk.transport.london]

I'm surprised that TfL accepted such a change, as they get limited
revenue from the cross-London tickets, compared to the two full fare
singles which used to be needed.

Indeed it used to be free. I've mentioned before how many years ago
you could travel from, say, Kings Cross to somewhere in South London
for the same price as from Cannon Street etc as long as you got the
ticket from the NR ticket office at Kings Cross. Worked all the
barriers and everything, but LU was free.

On Aug 22, 7:21*pm, MIG wrote:
On 22 Aug, 15:01, Andy wrote:





On Aug 22, 2:07*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Andy" wrote in message

....

On Aug 22, 1:30 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message

...

The National Rail website clearly states that the tickets can only be
used at the stations in the list he

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...crossing_londo...

So technically a through National Rail ticket isn't valid at Russell
Square. Whether you get let through the barriers, other than at these
'cross-London' stations, is more a matter of luck than right.

Presumably you didn't read the whole section that you linked to then...

I took a short cut, rather than checking the Conditions of Carriage..
There is no mention of this entitlement anywhere except the part of
the National Rail website I linked to. It never used to be the case
that such tickets were valid at intermediate stations (which is why
they don't open the gates).

This limitation of the gates had already been discussed in earlier parts of
the thread [that unfortunately only appeared in uk.transport.london]

I'm surprised that TfL accepted such a change, as they get limited
revenue from the cross-London tickets, compared to the two full fare
singles which used to be needed.

Indeed it used to be free. *I've mentioned before how many years ago
you could travel from, say, Kings Cross to somewhere in South London
for the same price as from Cannon Street etc as long as you got the
ticket from the NR ticket office at Kings Cross. *Worked all the
barriers and everything, but LU was free.

Well, LU wouldn't have been free, more than LU would have got a share
of the fare from King's Cross but maybe not from Cannon Street. Of
course, the passenger wouldn't have noticed the difference.