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Oyster incomplete journeys research published
It's not the technology that important here but the fare structure.
There are several other metro areas using exactly the same technology where there is no opportunity for a systematic overcharge to occur. Could you unpack that for me please? I'm not really into these things but ISTR being told in HK, Tokyo and Melbourne that one had to use the card in *and* out to get the lowest fare. Does it not follow if there is anything other than a flat fare? -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
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"Robin" wrote in message ... It's not the technology that important here but the fare structure. There are several other metro areas using exactly the same technology where there is no opportunity for a systematic overcharge to occur. Could you unpack that for me please? I'm not really into these things but ISTR being told in HK, Tokyo and Melbourne that one had to use the card in *and* out to get the lowest fare. Does it not follow if there is anything other than a flat fare? Other systems in use: 1) South Sweden - The system assumes the minimum journey length unless the user manually sets a longer journey at the start. If starting on a bus then you have to tell the driver to do this, but if starting on a train you do this at the automatic machines. You are now on trust not to go outside the selected zones upon pain of fine if caught (just like LT really). This is definitely the same basic technology as London. 2) Helsinki - The same except that as there are only three zones the user can also select outer zones at the machine. This is a proximity card, but I don't know who supplies it. 3) Lisbon - There are only two zones here and you tell the system how many zones you want to travel by having two cards (one loaded for one zone and the other for two), of course most people only ever make one or the other and don't actually have two cards. Again, this is a chip card but I don't know who supplied it tim |
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Oyster incomplete journeys research published
1) South Sweden - The system assumes the minimum journey length unless the user manually sets a longer journey at the start. If starting on a bus then you have to tell the driver to do this, but if starting on a train you do this at the automatic machines. You are now on trust not to go outside the selected zones upon pain of fine if caught (just like LT really). This is definitely the same basic technology as London. 2) Helsinki - The same except that as there are only three zones the user can also select outer zones at the machine. This is a proximity card, but I don't know who supplies it. Thank you. These systems all seem to involve no "touch out" at all. So I would predict a massive increase in fare evasion if introduced here. Londoners are not Scandinavians. (And I still remember well what it used to be like on the NLL before it became gated. On the rare mornings they were checking for tickets roughly 1 in 5 turned round and walked away.) -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
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Oyster incomplete journeys research published
In message , Robin
writes These systems all seem to involve no "touch out" at all. So I would predict a massive increase in fare evasion if introduced here. Londoners are not Scandinavians. It's also the case that in some European countries, even accidental fare evasion often results in a massive on-the-spot fine (typically 50 euros in Italy for failing to validate a train ticket), which is nearly twice the amount of a promptly-paid TfL "penalty fare". -- Paul Terry |
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