http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-disruption.do

Thousands of mainline rail commuters suffered major disruption today
after a broken down train blocked busy routes into London.

It broke down between Haywards Heath and Gatwick Aiport causing long
delays for First Capital Connect, Southern and Gatwick Express
services throughout the morning peak.

Trains stacked up behind one another with others diverted adding an
hour and a half to many journeys.

Brighton to Gatwick Aiport trains were diverted via Lewes. Replacement
buses operated between Brighton and Haywards Heath.

The empty Southern Railways service heading towards London broke down
just before Gatwick Airport around 6 am.

This halted north bound services out of Brighton including packed
trains to Victoria. The stricken train was cleared around 8 am but
there were huge knock-on delays.

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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-disruption.do

Thousands of mainline rail commuters suffered major disruption today
after a broken down train blocked busy routes into London.

It broke down between Haywards Heath and Gatwick Aiport causing long
delays for First Capital Connect, Southern and Gatwick Express
services throughout the morning peak.

Trains stacked up behind one another with others diverted adding an
hour and a half to many journeys.

Brighton to Gatwick Aiport trains were diverted via Lewes. Replacement
buses operated between Brighton and Haywards Heath.

The empty Southern Railways service heading towards London broke down
just before Gatwick Airport around 6 am.

This halted north bound services out of Brighton including packed
trains to Victoria. The stricken train was cleared around 8 am but
there were huge knock-on delays.

It's getting worse for the evening peak.

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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-disruption.do

Thousands of mainline rail commuters suffered major disruption today
after a broken down train blocked busy routes into London.

It broke down between Haywards Heath and Gatwick Aiport causing long
delays for First Capital Connect, Southern and Gatwick Express
services throughout the morning peak.

Trains stacked up behind one another with others diverted adding an
hour and a half to many journeys.

Brighton to Gatwick Aiport trains were diverted via Lewes. Replacement
buses operated between Brighton and Haywards Heath.

The empty Southern Railways service heading towards London broke down
just before Gatwick Airport around 6 am.

This halted north bound services out of Brighton including packed
trains to Victoria. The stricken train was cleared around 8 am but
there were huge knock-on delays.

A few errors here I think. What is the point in diverting via Lewes if the
broken train is between Haywards Heath and Gatwick? I'm also doubtful that
an empty train would be heading into London at that time of day. There are
some empty workings heading south to run peak trains into London.

John

On Dec 19, 6:51*pm, "Pat O'Neill" wrote:
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-broken-down-t...

Thousands of mainline rail commuters suffered major disruption today
after a broken down train blocked busy routes into London.

It broke down between Haywards Heath and Gatwick Aiport causing long
delays for First Capital Connect, Southern and Gatwick Express
services throughout the morning peak.

Trains stacked up behind one another with others diverted adding an
hour and a half to many journeys.

Brighton to Gatwick Aiport trains were diverted via Lewes. Replacement
buses operated between Brighton and Haywards Heath.

The empty Southern Railways service heading towards London broke down
just before Gatwick Airport around 6 am.

This halted north bound services out of Brighton including packed
trains to Victoria. The stricken train was cleared around 8 am but
there were huge knock-on delays.

It's getting worse for the evening peak.- Hide quoted text -

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442s involved, quelle surprise...

On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:10:43 -0800 (PST)
EE507 wrote:
The empty Southern Railways service heading towards London broke down
just before Gatwick Airport around 6 am.

This halted north bound services out of Brighton including packed
trains to Victoria. The stricken train was cleared around 8 am but
there were huge knock-on delays.

It's getting worse for the evening peak.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

442s involved, quelle surprise...

How can an electric train consisting of 2 seperate units completely break
down? Surely even if one unit is declared dead the other would be able
to push/pull?

B2003

On Dec 20, 9:37*am, wrote:

442s involved, quelle surprise...

How can an electric train consisting of 2 seperate units completely break
down? Surely even if one unit is declared dead the other would be able
to push/pull?

Numerous scenarios so many I'm not going to start listing them.

Apart from that, do you know it was definitely 2x442 and not a solo
442 ?

--
Nick

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On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:10:43 -0800 (PST)
EE507 wrote:
The empty Southern Railways service heading towards London broke down
just before Gatwick Airport around 6 am.

This halted north bound services out of Brighton including packed
trains to Victoria. The stricken train was cleared around 8 am but
there were huge knock-on delays.

It's getting worse for the evening peak.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

442s involved, quelle surprise...

How can an electric train consisting of 2 seperate units completely break
down? Surely even if one unit is declared dead the other would be able
to push/pull?

B2003

It was a single unit. 442421

On Dec 20, 10:48*am, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 20, 9:37*am, wrote:

442s involved, quelle surprise...

How can an electric train consisting of 2 seperate units completely break
down? Surely even if one unit is declared dead the other would be able
to push/pull?

Numerous scenarios so many I'm not going to start listing them.

Apart from that, *do you know it was definitely 2x442 and not a solo
442 ?

--
Nick

It was 2412 solo that failed.

--
Nick

Hi!

On 20.12.2011 10:37, d wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:10:43 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
The empty Southern Railways service heading towards London broke down
just before Gatwick Airport around 6 am.

This halted north bound services out of Brighton including packed
trains to Victoria. The stricken train was cleared around 8 am but
there were huge knock-on delays.

It's getting worse for the evening peak.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

442s involved, quelle surprise...

How can an electric train consisting of 2 seperate units completely break
down? Surely even if one unit is declared dead the other would be able
to push/pull?

I had the pleasure of a NoL-Eurostar failing last week. Failing so
completely that none of the motor cars was operative anymore - and in
consequence not even loudspeakers anymore. 2 km outside Valenciennes
station.

Solution applied: send out a Z23500 (2-car EMU:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Class_Z_23500 ) as tractor unit, to
drag the errant Eurostar back into the station.

Cheers,

Johannes

In article ,
Johannes Picht wrote:
Hi!

On 20.12.2011 10:37, d wrote:

How can an electric train consisting of 2 seperate units completely break
down? Surely even if one unit is declared dead the other would be able
to push/pull?

I had the pleasure of a NoL-Eurostar failing last week. Failing so
completely that none of the motor cars was operative anymore - and in
consequence not even loudspeakers anymore. 2 km outside Valenciennes
station.

Hmm, do these use the same electrical arrangement as the Three Capitals
sets, which we were assured were designed to be proof against a complete
traction failure (unless in exceptionally severe winter weather, of
course) ?

Nick
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