Am 01.01.2012 22:23, schrieb Wolfgang Schwanke:
Upsides of the communist era:

you forgot the quotes around "communist".
No

Wrong -- see quoted above your original text. There are no quotes
around "communist".


The rest of the lines within Westberlin were actually closed down
for profitability reasons, if you want to employ that word. The GDR did
not want to subsidise public transit in another country, a country
which was very hostile to the govenment which subsidised the S-Bahn in
Westberlin.

Oh they did want to do that for much of the time, once they even
claimed the railway lines in West Berlin were East German territory.

The GDR did never have to claim that. This was a fact created by the
occupation statues.

When Schumacher and other West German politicians diveded the county
and Berlin itself, they carefully avoided to challenge the occupation
regime and had kept the Berlin Generaldirektion of the Reichsbahn (or
how that was called) intact.

But somehow they'd lost interest after the employees demanded more
money. So instead of paying more they shut the system down.

Well, that was part of the process. If the Westberlin Senate had
offered their subsidies to the Reichsbahn to operate a proper S-Bahn
network, like they subsidised the U-Bahn in the West, then the
Reichsbahn would certainly have wanted to keep it up, and maybe even
expand it. But the Westberlin rules did the opposite: they did
everything to destroy the S-Bahn network, waging a big campaign against
using the S-Bahn and building U-Bahn lines to directly draw passengers
off from the S-Bahn (e.g. U7 to Spandau).

I know, in the times of Orwellian doublespeak it is difficult to
recognize facts. But you should make an effort.



Cheers,
L.W.

Am 01.01.2012 23:28, schrieb Hans-Joachim Zierke:
Failures in 2009/2010 were caused by

design error by the manufacturer, miscalculating wheel strength.

under the pressure of their customer, DB AG, to make the S-Bahn
trains cheaper.

Same issue as with the wheel crises of DB's ICE trains.

And still a result of the separation of the design and construction
of the rolling stock from the operator.


L.W.

Am 02.01.2012 13:16, schrieb Recliner:
Presumably they are desperate to get rid of those awful VWs, Audis, BMWs
and Mercedes vehicles and return to the fabulous Trabants they were so
pleased to drive in the past?

Well, why should you bother with facts, when you have your
preconceived ideas?

Go back to your daily five-minute hate on the Televisor.

On 02/01/2012 12:19, Lüko Willms wrote:

Oh they did want to do that for much of the time, once they even
claimed the railway lines in West Berlin were East German territory.

The GDR did never have to claim that. This was a fact created by the
occupation statues.

When Schumacher and other West German politicians diveded the county
and Berlin itself, they carefully avoided to challenge the occupation
regime and had kept the Berlin Generaldirektion of the Reichsbahn (or
how that was called) intact.

You don't even know the history of your own country yet you presume to
lecture others on their history.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On 02/01/2012 12:19, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 01.01.2012 22:23, schrieb Wolfgang Schwanke:
Upsides of the communist era:

you forgot the quotes around "communist".
No

Wrong -- see quoted above your original text. There are no quotes around
"communist".


The rest of the lines within Westberlin were actually closed down
for profitability reasons, if you want to employ that word. The GDR
did
not want to subsidise public transit in another country, a country
which was very hostile to the govenment which subsidised the S-Bahn in
Westberlin.

Oh they did want to do that for much of the time, once they even
claimed the railway lines in West Berlin were East German territory.

The GDR did never have to claim that. This was a fact created by the
occupation statues.

When Schumacher and other West German politicians diveded the county and
Berlin itself, they carefully avoided to challenge the occupation regime
and had kept the Berlin Generaldirektion of the Reichsbahn (or how that
was called) intact.

But somehow they'd lost interest after the employees demanded more
money. So instead of paying more they shut the system down.

Well, that was part of the process. If the Westberlin Senate had offered
their subsidies to the Reichsbahn to operate a proper S-Bahn network,
like they subsidised the U-Bahn in the West, then the Reichsbahn would
certainly have wanted to keep it up, and maybe even expand it. But the
Westberlin rules did the opposite: they did everything to destroy the
S-Bahn network, waging a big campaign against using the S-Bahn and
building U-Bahn lines to directly draw passengers off from the S-Bahn
(e.g. U7 to Spandau).

I know, in the times of Orwellian doublespeak it is difficult to
recognize facts. But you should make an effort.



Cheers,
L.W.

Where were the people who worked on the Berlin S-Bahn in West Berlin
from during the city's partition?

I understand that actual train drivers were East German, but what about
station attendants and track workers

No politics, just asking purely out of curiosity.

On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:04:59 +0100, Lüko
wrote:
you have a strange concept of "nationalization"

No, I don't. To me, and I would think most people in the UK, a
nationalised organisation is one owned by the state. Simple as that.
Its business model is irrelevant.

What about the Rothaus brewery, just to cite one little example?
Commerzbank?

Are they owned by the state? If so they are nationalised. As are a
few UK banks, at least in part.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:24:50 +0100, Lüko
wrote:
Same issue as with the wheel crises of DB's ICE trains.

That was silly of DB, as BR had already considered, tested and
rejected composite wheels for HST and APT.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

Neil Williams wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:36:16 +0100, Oliver Schnell
wrote:
We are talking about these seats.
http://www.bahnbilder.de/bilder/br-425-15767.jpg
http://www.vbn.de/bilder/et425-innen.jpg

I quite like those...

Well you did say "Jehovah.


Oliver Schnell

wrote:

Where were the people who worked on the Berlin S-Bahn in West Berlin
from during the city's partition?

They were from West-Berlin. Somne who were not, became inhabitants
of West-Berlin very soon.


Oliver Schnell

On 02/01/2012 13:29, Oliver Schnell wrote:
wrote:

Where were the people who worked on the Berlin S-Bahn in West Berlin
from during the city's partition?

They were from West-Berlin. Somne who were not, became inhabitants
of West-Berlin very soon.


Oliver Schnell
But the train drivers themselves were East German, as I understood. DR
also made sure that the drivers had families in the east, just in case
they started thinking staying in the west.