Bruce wrote:
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
Bruce wrote:
While doing this, you would have to be careful not to jangle the other
coins in your pocket. That would give the lie to your claim of having
only 5p.

You could plead coppers, which I can't recall PTTs or TVMs taking.
Alternatively use a wallet with a tight coin compartment or a separate coin
holder.


That you have obviously thought about this worries me a little. ;-)

Could you successfully argue that any remaining change you had was needed
for a bus journey at your destination? Is the requirement to give all
change you have, or all change you can spare?

Lewis

(Just found this one unaddressed on a trawl.)

Lew 1 wrote:

While doing this, you would have to be careful not to jangle the other
coins in your pocket. That would give the lie to your claim of having
only 5p.

You could plead coppers, which I can't recall PTTs or TVMs taking.
Alternatively use a wallet with a tight coin compartment or a separate
coin
holder.

That you have obviously thought about this worries me a little. ;-)

Could you successfully argue that any remaining change you had was needed
for a bus journey at your destination? Is the requirement to give all
change you have, or all change you can spare?

I believe the formal requirement is all the change you have and your
non-railway requirements are irrelevant. That said staff at the destination
would probably be reasonably sympathetic to the situation as they're likely
to know if the local buses have exact change only requirements. With staff
at interchanges or on the trains it would be more pot luck.

Another situation that springs to mind is the potential for someone to turn
up with a card only to find the card machine is out of order and they have
no coins for a PTT if the machine is there. (The PTTs also predate the
widespread use of cards in machines, particularly outside the biggest
stations, and I'm guessing the wording quoted elsewhere on the thread hasn't
changed since those days.) I've got a feeling the wording of the CoC
basically expects all card relying passengers to carry some coins on them as
back-ups but it could be messy (and possibly ruled unfair conditions?) if
the regular method of purchase and the emergency back-up are using
completely separate methods of payment.

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 01:47:11 +0100, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

Another situation that springs to mind is the potential for someone to
turn up with a card only to find the card machine is out of order and
they have no coins for a PTT if the machine is there. (The PTTs also
predate the widespread use of cards in machines, particularly outside
the biggest stations, and I'm guessing the wording quoted elsewhere on
the thread hasn't changed since those days.) I've got a feeling the
wording of the CoC basically expects all card relying passengers to
carry some coins on them as back-ups but it could be messy (and possibly
ruled unfair conditions?) if the regular method of purchase and the
emergency back-up are using completely separate methods of payment.

Last summer I went to Fratton to catch a train to Chichester. I wanted
PlusBus, Fratton TO was closed and the TVMs couldn't sell PlusBus.

The PORTIS (are they still called that) that the conductor / guard on the
train was carrying wouldn't accept my electron card (the account requires
immediate bank validation for all transactions), so I had to buy the
return ticket from Fratton to Chichester PlusBus at Chichester and then
hand the outward portion to the Chichester barrier staff.

So, I guess the system works.

Rgds

Denis McMahon