Used the tube today - a 3.60 fare has gone up to 3.80. Thats 5.5%. Is there
some rule in LU that the fares have to be rounded up to the nearest 10 pence?
What the hell is the point of having a smartcard system if its less flexible
than cash? Useless money grabbing *******s.

B2003

On 4 Jan, 09:34, wrote:
Used the tube today - a 3.60 fare has gone up to 3.80. Thats 5.5%. Is there
some rule in LU that the fares have to be rounded up to the nearest 10 pence?
What the hell is the point of having a smartcard system if its less flexible
than cash? Useless money grabbing *******s.

The week I started work in the West End (nineteen sixty something) the
fare from Waterloo to Piccadilly Circus was 3d (just over 1p). A week
later there was an increase. It went up to 6d (2.5p). I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:14:40 -0800 (PST)
77002 wrote:
later there was an increase. It went up to 6d (2.5p). I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

No doubt back then they were coming out with the same old guff about needing
it for service improvements which are "just around the corner! Honest guv!".
Arthur Daley would be embarrassed to do to his customers what TfL do to its
passengers on a daily basis. Still, I'm back in the car next week so **** em.

B2003

On 4 Jan, 12:24, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:14:40 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
later there was an increase. *It went up to 6d (2.5p). *I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

No doubt back then they were coming out with the same old guff about needing
it for service improvements which are "just around the corner! Honest guv!".
Arthur Daley would be embarrassed to do to his customers what TfL do to its
passengers on a daily basis. Still, I'm back in the car next week so **** em.

One sympathises with your sentiment. From my perspective, my time in
the UK is enhanced by not driving.

On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:49:33 -0800 (PST)
77002 wrote:
On 4 Jan, 12:24, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:14:40 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
later there was an increase. =A0It went up to 6d (2.5p). =A0I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

No doubt back then they were coming out with the same old guff about need=
ing
it for service improvements which are "just around the corner! Honest guv=
!".
Arthur Daley would be embarrassed to do to his customers what TfL do to i=
ts
passengers on a daily basis. Still, I'm back in the car next week so ****=
em.

One sympathises with your sentiment. From my perspective, my time in
the UK is enhanced by not driving.

Don't get me wrong - I don't find driving to work in the car enjoyable. The
north circular is a hideous road. But its cheaper , quicker, more comfortable
and far fewer abnormal delays. In fact the one time the road was completely
stuffed and I ended up crawling along in a 6 mile jam it was still a few
minutes quicker than the normal non delayed tube journey. For anything other
than into central london the tube is hopeless. As for the NLL which I tried
once, ye gods - a horse and cart would have been quicker!

B2003

On 2013-01-04 13:47:41 +0000, d said:

a horse and cart would have been quicker!

That's because a horse would take one look at you and bolt, ah.

E.

As a frequent and enthusiastic motorist, I agree that travelling by car is
usually cheaper, quicker and more comfortable. That's why I despise those
anti-motor car bigots who insist that no-one needs a motor car in London.

I am however surprised that you find the North Circular so bad. Although TfL's
two enhancement projects have both turned out to be complete failures and
a disgraceful waste of money, I still find the A406 a fairly good road. Living in
Leyton, I am of course adjacent to the best stretch of the road.

On 4 Jan, 13:47, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:49:33 -0800 (PST)





77002 wrote:
On 4 Jan, 12:24, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:14:40 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
later there was an increase. =A0It went up to 6d (2.5p). =A0I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

No doubt back then they were coming out with the same old guff about need=
ing
it for service improvements which are "just around the corner! Honest guv=
!".
Arthur Daley would be embarrassed to do to his customers what TfL do to i=
ts
passengers on a daily basis. Still, I'm back in the car next week so ****=
em.

One sympathises with your sentiment. *From my perspective, my time in
the UK is enhanced by not driving.

Don't get me wrong - I don't find driving to work in the car enjoyable. The
north circular is a hideous road. But its cheaper , quicker, more comfortable
and far fewer abnormal delays. In fact the one time the road was completely
stuffed and I ended up crawling along in a 6 mile jam it was still a few
minutes quicker than the normal non delayed tube journey. For anything other
than into central london the tube is hopeless. As for the NLL which I tried
once, ye gods - a horse and cart would have been quicker!

It is interesting that you should mention the NLL. As of now I have
not used the SLL Overground or the Watford DC lines in their new
incarnation.

However, I have tried out the rest of the Overground. My opinion is
as follows: Eastern side of the system, those rotes coming in from
Croydon, et al, are the epitome of a modern urban railway, frequent
and reasonably fast. The NLL has refurbished stations and new trains,
but is slow. But, the NLL speed is almost sensible when compared with
the WLL. The amble from Clapham Junction thru Chelsea, Brompton,
Olympia, Shepherds Bush, et al is pitiful.

Other than speed the Overground is great system. What is the
problem? Surely it is fixable?

In article , wrote:
Used the tube today - a 3.60 fare has gone up to 3.80. Thats 5.5%. Is there
some rule in LU that the fares have to be rounded up to the nearest 10 pence?
What the hell is the point of having a smartcard system if its less flexible
than cash? Useless money grabbing *******s.

You have to realise Boltar that you're above average in *every* respect,
not just those you assumed.

Nick
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