For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.

Cheers for that. Very considerate.

Utter ******s.

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Spud

On 31/08/2013 17:30, d wrote:
For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.

Cheers for that. Very considerate.

Utter ******s.

--
Spud

Testing the new signalling system, apparently -

http://www.times-series.co.uk/news/1..._ are_tested/

JP

On 31/08/2013 17:30, d wrote:
For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.

Cheers for that. Very considerate.

Utter ******s.

Yeah, I hate the fact that they're upgrading the line so it'll be more
reliable, will run with more trains on it and will move more people.
Such idiots. It's almost as if they think they're in the mass
transportation business.

On 31/08/2013 18:12, Johannes Patruus wrote:
On 31/08/2013 17:30, d wrote:
For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.

Cheers for that. Very considerate.

Utter ******s.

--
Spud

Testing the new signalling system, apparently -

http://www.times-series.co.uk/news/1..._ are_tested/


JP

The rolling stock in the photo is a 92ts, and not a 95ts.

What does VOBC mean, BTW? I have such signs posted at the end of
stations for the driver and I assume that it has something to do with
the new signalling system. I'm not sure what the letters mean, however.

On 31/08/2013 19:46, wrote:
On 31/08/2013 18:12, Johannes Patruus wrote:
On 31/08/2013 17:30, d wrote:
For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.

Cheers for that. Very considerate.

Utter ******s.

--
Spud

Testing the new signalling system, apparently -

http://www.times-series.co.uk/news/1..._ are_tested/



JP

The rolling stock in the photo is a 92ts, and not a 95ts.

What does VOBC mean, BTW? I have such signs posted at the end of stations
for the driver and I assume that it has something to do with the new
signalling system. I'm not sure what the letters mean, however.

"Vehicle On Board Controller"

There's a short paragraph about it half way down this page -
http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/...e-transformed/

JP

On 31/08/2013 20:33, Johannes Patruus wrote:
On 31/08/2013 19:46, wrote:
On 31/08/2013 18:12, Johannes Patruus wrote:
On 31/08/2013 17:30, d wrote:
For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.

Cheers for that. Very considerate.

Utter ******s.

--
Spud

Testing the new signalling system, apparently -

http://www.times-series.co.uk/news/1..._ are_tested/




JP

The rolling stock in the photo is a 92ts, and not a 95ts.

What does VOBC mean, BTW? I have such signs posted at the end of stations
for the driver and I assume that it has something to do with the new
signalling system. I'm not sure what the letters mean, however.

"Vehicle On Board Controller"

There's a short paragraph about it half way down this page -
http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/...e-transformed/

JP
Cheers.

On 31/08/2013 20:33, Johannes Patruus wrote:
On 31/08/2013 19:46, wrote:
On 31/08/2013 18:12, Johannes Patruus wrote:
On 31/08/2013 17:30, d wrote:
For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.

Cheers for that. Very considerate.

Utter ******s.

--
Spud

Testing the new signalling system, apparently -

http://www.times-series.co.uk/news/1..._ are_tested/




JP

The rolling stock in the photo is a 92ts, and not a 95ts.

What does VOBC mean, BTW? I have such signs posted at the end of stations
for the driver and I assume that it has something to do with the new
signalling system. I'm not sure what the letters mean, however.

"Vehicle On Board Controller"

There's a short paragraph about it half way down this page -
http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/...e-transformed/

JP
Any pictures of the newly fitted equipment in the cab?

On 01/09/2013 00:27, wrote:
On 31/08/2013 20:33, Johannes Patruus wrote:
On 31/08/2013 19:46, wrote:
On 31/08/2013 18:12, Johannes Patruus wrote:
On 31/08/2013 17:30, d wrote:
For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.

Cheers for that. Very considerate.

Utter ******s.

--
Spud

Testing the new signalling system, apparently -

http://www.times-series.co.uk/news/1..._ are_tested/





JP

The rolling stock in the photo is a 92ts, and not a 95ts.

What does VOBC mean, BTW? I have such signs posted at the end of
stations
for the driver and I assume that it has something to do with the new
signalling system. I'm not sure what the letters mean, however.

"Vehicle On Board Controller"

There's a short paragraph about it half way down this page -
http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/...e-transformed/

JP
Any pictures of the newly fitted equipment in the cab?

Just saw it, actually.

On Saturday, 31 August 2013 10:26:49 UTC-7, Mizter T wrote:
On 31/08/2013 17:30, d wrote:

For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.



Cheers for that. Very considerate.





Yeah, I hate the fact that they're upgrading the line so it'll be more

reliable, will run with more trains on it and will move more people.

Such idiots. It's almost as if they think they're in the mass

transportation business.

Indeed, it happens to inconvenience my better half. But we all have waited a long time for these improvements. If all goes well it will be worth the sacrifice.

My only criticism would be that there should be one UK wide signaling and train control system. LU is utilizing several.

Spud

If you would prefer to travel on a deep-level underground railway with
untested control systems, that's up to you.

But I suspect most Londoners want the Underground to be safe. And that
means testing new systems thoroughly.

Do you think some signal sengineers simply obtained a full weekend
possession without a proper examination of the needs / alternatives /
impacts?

Think for a moment of the thousands complex actions and interactions
involved in running any kind of high-density railway. The system and
its controllers / users have to "understand"

- state (moving or stationary), location and speed of every train

- route and destination

- location of every signal, junction and station

… and dozens more about which the brethren here will be able to inform us.

Then each of those factors has to be tested both in combination and
with any / every other.

What's the alternative? Trying to squeeze it in to overnight posssions
lasting 4-5 hours, when other routine maintenance is already under way
– for which the power has to be turned off? Assuming that an overnight
posession allows, say, 3.5 hours work, the weekend equates to abut 15
overnights. That's three weeks in which little or no track work or
other maintenance can be done.

And for which, assuming the tests require a number of moving trains,
drivers will have to be taken off their normal duties and rostered for
special "out of hours" shifts (thus reducing their availability during
normal days, which would mean fewer trains when you might want one).

I think if LU inflicted that on us we would indeed be tempted to
describe them in the terms used.

Methinks comments of this kind indicate a failure of the control
systems connecting brains to fingers and keyboards! As one of my first
editors used to say: Think before you write.

Ken

On 2013-08-31 16:30:43 +0000, d said:

For closing the entire section of the Nothern Line for the entire w/e.

Cheers for that. Very considerate.

Utter ******s.