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SEFT rollout
A map of the SEFT rollout is now available on page 2 of
http://www.itso.org.uk/wp-content/up...s-Sep-2013.pdf The maximum projected extent is shown to be: Bournemouth, Salisbury, Bedwyn, Swindon, Banbury, Northampton, Bedford, Peterborough, Kings Lynn and Norwich. |
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Paul Corfield writes:
A shame they didn't bother to explain what Base, Enhanced and Optimal actually means The actual usage, according to the map, of 'Optimal' and 'Enhanced' seems to me to be contra-intuitive. Base is relatively obviously what you start from, then it would seem that optimal should be the next 'layer' while enhanced being the last and least important to implement. |
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On Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:10:13 UTC+1, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 01:12:31 +0100, Matthew Dickinson wrote: A map of the SEFT rollout is now available on page 2 of http://www.itso.org.uk/wp-content/up...s-Sep-2013.pdf The maximum projected extent is shown to be: Bournemouth, Salisbury, Bedwyn, Swindon, Banbury, Northampton, Bedford, Peterborough, Kings Lynn and Norwich. Interesting map and phasing of work. Seems to have bent and twisted what was the old Network South East area - beyond Bournemouth is excluded despite being SWT territory while we have possible extensions to Swindon and Norwich. A shame they didn't bother to explain what Base, Enhanced and Optimal actually means and what the decision making criteria are for triggering subsequent phases beyond the base system. It also looks a tiny bit daft to have phases that run beyond Cambridge and Colchester but which do cover the connecting lines between Ely, Norwich, Ipswich and Cambridge. Given Greater Anglia are within the scope of SEFT anyway and they run the key services over these lines what would be the issue other than the usual ones of cost etc? Just looks a bit odd to me. The base scheme looks like the mechanism to turn Chiltern, South Eastern and FCC "smart" given the lack of ITSO obligations in those franchises. Also interesting to see the 2 year extension for ITSO card processing for London. I wonder how much money has been spent on the current contract to process virtually no cards given there is negligible or no ITSO card acceptance on the TfL system at the moment (happy to be corrected)? Clearly you have to do testing etc but the article reads as if an existing service is being continued. -- Paul C ENCTS cards are ITSO cards that are valid on TfL buses. I'm not sure if they are being used on bus readers yet. The Marston Vale and Abbey Flyer lines are odd omissions to the SEFT plans, and Heathrow Oyster acceptance is, I presume, an error. |
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On 2013\09\05 15:49, Graham Murray wrote:
Paul Corfield writes: A shame they didn't bother to explain what Base, Enhanced and Optimal actually means The actual usage, according to the map, of 'Optimal' and 'Enhanced' seems to me to be contra-intuitive. I imagine they refer to the level of funding which is still to be determined: if they receive base funding they do the base lot, enhanced funding they do the enhanced lot too and optimal funding will allow them to do the lot. |
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On Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:01:04 UTC+1, Paul Corfield wrote:
I thought the Chancellor had doled out �45m to do the entire South East - all TOCs and all bus companies. That's how I read the announcement over a year ago (not that I can find on the government's website after 1 hour of searching)!. -- Paul C SEFT is purely rail. The government did announce an increase in grants to bus operators in England that fitted smartcard readers however. See https://www.gov.uk/government/polici...mart-ticketing |
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On 2013\09\05 19:01, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 17:41:25 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: On 2013\09\05 15:49, Graham Murray wrote: Paul Corfield writes: A shame they didn't bother to explain what Base, Enhanced and Optimal actually means The actual usage, according to the map, of 'Optimal' and 'Enhanced' seems to me to be contra-intuitive. I imagine they refer to the level of funding which is still to be determined: if they receive base funding they do the base lot, enhanced funding they do the enhanced lot too and optimal funding will allow them to do the lot. I thought the Chancellor had doled out £45m to do the entire South East Maybe it's an old map. |
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On 05/09/2013 16:14, Matthew Dickinson wrote: On Thursday, 5 September 2013 11:10:13 UTC+1, Paul Corfield wrote: [...] Also interesting to see the 2 year extension for ITSO card processing for London. I wonder how much money has been spent on the current contract to process virtually no cards given there is negligible or no ITSO card acceptance on the TfL system at the moment (happy to be corrected)? Clearly you have to do testing etc but the article reads as if an existing service is being continued. ENCTS cards are ITSO cards that are valid on TfL buses. I'm not sure if they are being used on bus readers yet. I'm fairly sure ENCTS cards can now be read on TfL bus readers. (I think the bus readers have all been updated to the Cubic 'Tri-Reader 3' which can handle Oyster/Mifare, ITSO and EMV contactless cards (i.e. Visa PayWave, Mastercard PayPass etc). |
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On 05/09/2013 20:47, Paul Corfield wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 11:07:23 -0700 (PDT), Matthew Dickinson wrote: On Thursday, 5 September 2013 19:01:04 UTC+1, Paul Corfield wrote: I thought the Chancellor had doled out £45m to do the entire South East - all TOCs and all bus companies. That's how I read the announcement over a year ago (not that I can find on the government's website after 1 hour of searching)!. SEFT is purely rail. The government did announce an increase in grants to bus operators in England that fitted smartcard readers however. See https://www.gov.uk/government/polici...mart-ticketing Well I had found that but I am convinced that there was a separate announcement from the DfT at the time of the 2011 Autumn Statement and I think it has been pulled. I am not disagreeing with you - you are clearly much closer to the detail than I am. However I think there has been some judicious editing of the press release library to remove the main announcements about the £45m spend and the delivery deadlines (which aren't going to be met). The impression created was of a seamless bus and rail scheme but clearly the reality will be different. Here are the Autumn Statement 2011 webpages on the (now defunct) HM Treasury website, via the National Archives: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20111202170206/http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/as2011_index.htm or via http://preview.tinyurl.com/mk77ws4 There is a link to the "Autumn statement document in full" as a PDF: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20130129110402/http://cdn.hm-treasury.gov.uk/autumn_statement.pdf or via http://preview.tinyurl.com/l27kupf Para 1.91 (page 32) contains a reference to the SEFT scheme (though not by that name) - it reads... ---quote--- * the Government funding improvements to the quality of travel for rail users, including £45 million to extend smart ticketing across London and the South-East, £80 million to support the Southern Rail franchise’s procurement of 130 new carriages, and £290 million to limit the increase to regulated rail and Transport for London fares in January 2012 to the Retail Prices Index (RPI) plus one per cent. ---/quote--- There's a handful of other reference to it as well (try searching the PDF for "ticket"). There are further more detailed documents from the Autumn Statement 2011 on those archived webpages, which can be found he http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20111202170206/http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/as2011_documents.htm or via http://preview.tinyurl.com/l7xmhh4 |
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On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 20:52:37 +0100, Mizter T
wrote: On 05/09/2013 16:14, Matthew Dickinson wrote: ENCTS cards are ITSO cards that are valid on TfL buses. I'm not sure if they are being used on bus readers yet. I'm fairly sure ENCTS cards can now be read on TfL bus readers. (I think the bus readers have all been updated to the Cubic 'Tri-Reader 3' which can handle Oyster/Mifare, ITSO and EMV contactless cards (i.e. Visa PayWave, Mastercard PayPass etc). They might not have had the feature enabled, though, certainly people I know with ITSO-only cards haven't been asked to use them on the reader yet... Richard. |
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They might not have had the feature enabled, though, certainly people I know with ITSO-only cards haven't been asked to use them on the reader yet... I last use a London bus a couple of weeks ago and wasn't asked then. The driver just pressed a button to log my entry. My local bus in Bucks still has no reader and the driver issues zero fare tickets. |