On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:08:44 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 05:55:11PM +0000,
d wrote:

He's probably one of those people who thinks because HE never needs
a particular service, no one else ever will either.

And for people like my blind mother, there will still be staff available
to help her buy a ticket.

I say good riddance to ticket offices, despite my own mother not being
able to use the machines, provided that they still provide some way of
dealing with Oyster errors at stations.

You mean they introduce ways of dealing with Oyster errors at stations? Most
problems I ever have they (including ticket office staff) say "ring the
helpline".


The outlying stations are of greater concern than the inner tube, and
sub-surface, stations. There needs to be a manned passimeter, and
someone watching the gate line, platforms etc. TfL should also
consider encouraging newsstands and cafes.

If TfL need to save money they would do better to look at more
unmanned trains. Is there room for productivity increases?

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Aurora wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:08:44 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 05:55:11PM +0000,
d wrote:

He's probably one of those people who thinks because HE never needs
a particular service, no one else ever will either.

And for people like my blind mother, there will still be staff available
to help her buy a ticket.

I say good riddance to ticket offices, despite my own mother not being
able to use the machines, provided that they still provide some way of
dealing with Oyster errors at stations.

You mean they introduce ways of dealing with Oyster errors at stations? Most
problems I ever have they (including ticket office staff) say "ring the
helpline".


The outlying stations are of greater concern than the inner tube, and
sub-surface, stations. There needs to be a manned passimeter, and
someone watching the gate line, platforms etc. TfL should also
consider encouraging newsstands and cafes.

A manned passimeter? Not for the last few decades, the there hasn't! And
it's rare to have a manned presence on the platforms on quieter stations.

If TfL need to save money they would do better to look at more
unmanned trains. Is there room for productivity increases?

They won't have less than one member of staff on a train, so no savings
there.

They won't have less than one member of staff on a train, so no savings
there.

Hmmn. What does the Paris Metro know that TfL doesn't?



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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:44:35 on Mon, 2 Dec 2013,
Phil remarked:
In most other countries I expect they would be unavailable and it
would just be a "tourist tax". Or a city tax would be charged on
hotel rooms and a free ticket issued for everyone staying.

I wonder if, say, a £3 per day flat-rate fee on hotel rooms and give
everyone a free Z1-2 travelcard would do the trick - not everyone will
use
it but it solves the problem for the rest.

You are assuming everyone staying in a hotel is an occasional
tourist. Many are regular visitors who, like me, already have an oyster
card and stay overnight after a concert or a show. They will not take
kindly to having to pay again for public transport.

And in another place:

"The 24-hour tube will boost weekend departures from Heathrow and hit
companies selling holiday 'add-ons', claims an operator.

Proposals for a 24-hour Tube service on Friday and Saturday nights from
2015 was announced by Transport for London last month.

But loveholidays.com claims 'extras' like airport parking or overnight
hotels are likely to suffer, as demand will drop.

Rubbish

The average person who uses service like that has to make a journey much
longer than is possible on the underground

If your destination is Milton Keynes, for example, it's no good that you can
get to Euston if there aren't any onward trains

tim






It also believes that Heathrow will become the preferred airport for
passengers, as it is the only London/South East airport on a Tube line.

Al Francis from loveholidays.com says: "People will be more willing to
take flights at 'unsociable' times because the 24-hour Tube service will
mean it will be easier to get across London to and from the airport.

"The losers will be 'holiday extras'. With a 24-hour Tube service, people
are less likely to need airport parking or book an airport hotel."
--
Roland Perry

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Aurora wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:08:44 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 05:55:11PM +0000,
d wrote:

He's probably one of those people who thinks because HE never needs
a particular service, no one else ever will either.

And for people like my blind mother, there will still be staff
available
to help her buy a ticket.

I say good riddance to ticket offices, despite my own mother not being
able to use the machines, provided that they still provide some way of
dealing with Oyster errors at stations.

You mean they introduce ways of dealing with Oyster errors at stations?
Most
problems I ever have they (including ticket office staff) say "ring the
helpline".


The outlying stations are of greater concern than the inner tube, and
sub-surface, stations. There needs to be a manned passimeter, and
someone watching the gate line, platforms etc. TfL should also
consider encouraging newsstands and cafes.

A manned passimeter? Not for the last few decades, the there hasn't! And
it's rare to have a manned presence on the platforms on quieter stations.

If TfL need to save money they would do better to look at more
unmanned trains. Is there room for productivity increases?

They won't have less than one member of staff on a train, so no savings
there.

why not

Other automated lines do (or don't whichever way you look at it!)

tim

In message , at 18:39:48 on Tue, 3 Dec
2013, tim...... remarked:
And in another place:

"The 24-hour tube will boost weekend departures from Heathrow and hit
companies selling holiday 'add-ons', claims an operator.

Proposals for a 24-hour Tube service on Friday and Saturday nights
from 2015 was announced by Transport for London last month.

But loveholidays.com claims 'extras' like airport parking or
overnight hotels are likely to suffer, as demand will drop.

Rubbish

Many such shroud-waving claims are best treated with extreme suspicion.

The average person who uses service like that has to make a journey
much longer than is possible on the underground

If your destination is Milton Keynes, for example, it's no good that
you can get to Euston if there aren't any onward trains

Although just losing trade from people living inside the Tube area would
have some sort of impact.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:41:18 +0100
"tim......" wrote:
They won't have less than one member of staff on a train, so no savings
there.

why not

Other automated lines do (or don't whichever way you look at it!)

Good luck trying to evacuate a stranded tube train with no staff on board.
Fully automated metro systems - and the DLR - ALL have walkways in the tunnels
alongside the track so the doors can be opened remotely and the passengers
can just walk to the nearest station. Try doing that with the 6 inch gap
between the doors and the tunnel walls on the deep level tube lines. Oh,
and there's a 4th rail in the middle of the track so its bloody tricky to
walk along without getting electrocuted if someone hasn't switched the power
off.

--
Spud

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:41:18 +0100
"tim......" wrote:
They won't have less than one member of staff on a train, so no savings
there.

why not

Other automated lines do (or don't whichever way you look at it!)

Good luck trying to evacuate a stranded tube train with no staff on board.
Fully automated metro systems - and the DLR - ALL have walkways in the tunnels
alongside the track so the doors can be opened remotely and the passengers
can just walk to the nearest station. Try doing that with the 6 inch gap
between the doors and the tunnel walls on the deep level tube lines. Oh,
and there's a 4th rail in the middle of the track so its bloody tricky to
walk along without getting electrocuted if someone hasn't switched the power
off.

All true, and DLR trains aren't unmanned or fully automated anyway. The
operator still closes the doors, after looking down the platform.

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 14:13:38 -0600, Recliner
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 18:41:18 +0100
"tim......" wrote:
They won't have less than one member of staff on a train, so no savings
there.

why not

Other automated lines do (or don't whichever way you look at it!)

Good luck trying to evacuate a stranded tube train with no staff on board.
Fully automated metro systems - and the DLR - ALL have walkways in the tunnels
alongside the track so the doors can be opened remotely and the passengers
can just walk to the nearest station. Try doing that with the 6 inch gap
between the doors and the tunnel walls on the deep level tube lines. Oh,
and there's a 4th rail in the middle of the track so its bloody tricky to
walk along without getting electrocuted if someone hasn't switched the power
off.

All true, and DLR trains aren't unmanned or fully automated anyway. The
operator still closes the doors, after looking down the platform.

And in practice becomes a driver when things go tits-up.

John Levine wrote:
They won't have less than one member of staff on a train, so no savings
there.

Hmmn. What does the Paris Metro know that TfL doesn't?

How to build tunnels with walkways?