On 21/11/2013 18:58, tim...... wrote:
[...]
and how am I going to get the journey history from my Oyster to use as a
receipt?

Print it off from the journey history section of the (yet to be
unleashed) TfL online account associated with your contactless payment
card (the CPC equivalent of the Oyster online account).

And no, I don't know how that's going to be implemented, but that's part
of TfL's CPC plan.

On 21/11/2013 16:30, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 15:18:33 on Thu, 21 Nov
2013, Mizter T remarked:
TfL hasn't actually got a policy of not accepting foreign issued CPCs
on buses, rather they just promote the scheme as accepting UK-issued
contactless credit/debit/charge cards because they can't guarantee
foreign issued ones will work.

See this PDF from TfL - "Using contactless payment cards
on buses":
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/tickets/Using_contactless_payment_cards_on_buses.pdf


---quote---
Most contactless payment cards (CPCs) issued by UK banks and payment
card companies will be accepted on buses but some cards issued outside
the UK will not.
---/quote---

But my understanding is that they are refusing some foreign/prepay cards
because of problems in the back-office processing, rather than because
there's a technical issue with the cards themselves.

Fair point. I don't know what it is that's deficient when it comes to
some foreign issued contactless cards.

On 21/11/2013 19:11, tim...... wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

On 21/11/2013 18:58, tim...... wrote:
[...]
and how am I going to get the journey history from my Oyster to use as a
receipt?

Print it off from the journey history section of the (yet to be
unleashed) TfL online account associated with your contactless payment
card (the CPC equivalent of the Oyster online account).

And no, I don't know how that's going to be implemented, but that's
part of TfL's CPC plan.

I don't have a contactless bank card, the bank have yet to send me one


And the ticket offices have yet to (all) close.

Even without a CPC, what I've said above applies to Oyster.

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 21/11/2013 12:22, Recliner wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:11:38 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25025888

---quote---
Every ticket office on the Tube is to shut by 2015 under plans that
will see 750 jobs cut.

Transport for London (TfL) said staff will be moved from behind ticket
office windows to be in the station itself to help passengers.

The Tube will also run 24 hours a day on Fridays and Saturdays on some
lines.
[...]
TfL says six major central London stations will have special customer
points to help tourists and that every station will be staffed while
the tube is running.
---/quote---

Blimey - I knew fewer ticket offices is the general direction of
things, but wasn't expecting quite such a radical proposal. The pill is
of course sweetened by the plan for 24hr running on some Tube lines,
which in its own right is most welcome.

It's been rumoured for a while, and is I suppose the inevitable
consequence of the move to largely smartcard and machine-bought
tickets. But the weekend running is more unexpected. And, as the
article also mentions, that means some stations will need to be manned
24 hours a day over the weekend. Will the unions tolerate
single-manned stations at 3am in south or east London?

Or indeed west or north London.

Anyhow, your prejudices aside, AFAICS the proposals don't explicitly
talk about single staffing of stations - of course the unions will
say the threat is implicit.

Re the ticketing - the crucial change will be the acceptance of
Contactless Payment Cards (CPCs - e.g. Visa payWave) on the Tube.
This will I think lead to a fairly revolutionary change (with the
significant caveat that many passengers won't have access to a CPC),
but it'll only really make sense if NR in London also accepts CPCs in
the same manner.

Re the 24hr running - I could perhaps see a case for the Bank branch
of the Northern line to run as well, given how popular Shoreditch/
Hoxton (served by Old Street) and Islington (served by Angel) are as
nightspots. That said, parts of the London Overground network - the
East London Line and at least some of the North London Line - would
attract a significant nocturnal patronage if they were open for
business too.

"Night Tube" map:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...ight-map-2.jpg

That looks to be mainly driven by the presence of modern signalling UIVMM.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25025888

---quote---
Every ticket office on the Tube is to shut by 2015 under plans that
will see 750 jobs cut.

Transport for London (TfL) said staff will be moved from behind
ticket office windows to be in the station itself to help passengers.

The Tube will also run 24 hours a day on Fridays and Saturdays on
some lines.
[...]
TfL says six major central London stations will have special customer
points to help tourists and that every station will be staffed while
the tube is running.
---/quote---

Blimey - I knew fewer ticket offices is the general direction of
things, but wasn't expecting quite such a radical proposal. The pill
is of course sweetened by the plan for 24hr running on some Tube
lines, which in its own right is most welcome.

Are they going to introduce Oyster history printing facilities at ticket
machines then? That can only be obtained from ticket offices now. If your
card is registered you can get it on the web but that is not the same as is
on the card as I discovered when my wife was diddled and isn't available at
all until the next day.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:11:38 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:
Blimey - I knew fewer ticket offices is the general direction of
things,
but wasn't expecting quite such a radical proposal. The pill is of
course sweetened by the plan for 24hr running on some Tube lines,
which
in its own right is most welcome.

I don't think the Tube needs ticket offices, rather it needs staff on
the floor helping with things. German systems are often near enough
completely unstaffed. So I broadly support the idea.

Neil

--
Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply.

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:18:33 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:

As I said earlier, I think CPCs will likely change the ticketing
picture
significantly, but they're certainly not some magic solve-all
solution.
I wonder if the Tube sans ticket offices proposal is perhaps a bit
before its time

I think it's about 15 years after its time. City transport networks
need simple, automated ticketing. Ticket offices are for the mainline
- and TBH I see a reduced need for them there as well - better to
have them out showing how to use the machine next time.

Neil

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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:58:31 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:
and how am I going to get the journey history from my Oyster to use
as a
receipt?

From a ticket machine or online.

Neil

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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:17:20 -0600,
wrote:
Are they going to introduce Oyster history printing facilities at
ticket
machines then? That can only be obtained from ticket offices now.

Which is another trick missed with Oyster - such services should have
been machine only from day one.

Neil

--
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:54:12 +0100, Neil Williams
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:11:38 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:
Blimey - I knew fewer ticket offices is the general direction of
things,
but wasn't expecting quite such a radical proposal. The pill is of
course sweetened by the plan for 24hr running on some Tube lines,
which
in its own right is most welcome.

I don't think the Tube needs ticket offices, rather it needs staff on
the floor helping with things. German systems are often near enough
completely unstaffed. So I broadly support the idea.

I take it Oyster cards will still be available at retail outlets; also
the ability to add value to them. Will visitors and others you be
able to buy an Oyster card at NR main termini, either a the (NR)
ticket office or at a shop there, and at Heathrow etc?