On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:33:46 +0000 (UTC),
d wrote:

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:41:02 -0600
Recliner wrote:
That's an interesting point, but unfortunately is usually true. In most
technical fields, you're at your most productive from your mid 20s to late
30s; after that, someone else will be a sharper programmer, etc. I was

Rubbish. There's more to programming than just how quick off the mark you
are. Over the years you gather a large mental box of tricks and knowledge of
common gotchas and solutions which means you're generally more prepared for
most eventualities than someone who's only been in the game a few years.

Absolutely, problems that once seemed hard are now solvable in
multiple ways.

Sadly you seem to be the type who thinks its just a job rather than a
profession. I can't see many people asking a surgeon in his 40s why he's still
working at the front line rather than sitting in an office playing with
powerpoint.

confronted with this at the age of 27 when I was offered my first
management job -- I was reluctant to take it, as I reckoned I was doing
better and earning more as a non-manager. But it was explained to me that
I'd be overtaken by my peer group if I refused the promotion (and drop in
salary), so I reluctantly accepted.

You can move to other companies you know.

move into management. By my early 40s I was a director, enjoying commuting
by air-conditioned BMW 535i (my older colleagues preferred Jaguars), rather

Is a 535 your idea of having "made it"? Sad.

directors' car park by the age of 41. I wouldn't have wanted to still be a
techie, working for a younger manager, and competing with younger, sharper,
more recently qualified colleagues. I was much happier commissioning and
owning projects, rather than just doing what I was told.

Translation: I wasn't a very good techie so I jumped into the first career
lifeboat than drifted past because I knew I wouldn't get a job elsewhere.

Yeah , i know your type.

I think Spud/Boltar is showing all the signs of hating having to work for
younger, better-paid managers (or customers) he doesn't respect. The

Someones age doesn't bother me. I'd far sooner work for a 25 year old
manager who's got a clue than some idiot in his 50s or 60s like you who
clearly doesn't.

will probably soon overtake him. It must be very frustrating for him, and
It's hardly surprising that, as compensation, he feels the need to be so
obnoxious in an anonymous forum like this. He probably thinks the same of
his bosses, but can't say so.

Can't say no? Sorry, which bit of "self employed" are you having trouble
understanding or is that beyond the limit of your comprehension too?

You would think the poster would be an expert on obnoxious. Like me I
am sure you have black and white lists of clients.
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:22:53 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message

, at 15:24:49 on Thu, 12 Dec 2013, Recliner
remarked:
There were more interesting and useful things to spend time
learning in school than some **** poor plays by a dead 16th century
playwrite.

That's English Literature, a completely different subject.

In my day (late 90s), Shakespeare was compulsory in both English
Language and Literature. Helpfully that meant with a well chosen title,
you could submit the same essay as coursework for both subjects.

That was handy! I can't say I ever enjoyed Shakespeare, and once I got my
O level in English Literature in the 1960s, I never read or watched a
Shakespeare play again. I felt the same about poetry.

I didn't like Shakespeare taught exclusively from a book; these days
it's so easy to see it on film (feature or made-for-TV) that it must
transform the experience for the schoolkids. You could probably learn as
much from watching the film twice as a whole year of staring at pages.

(That's assuming the skill they are teaching isn't the ability to

School killed Shakespeare for me. It was many years before I came to
appreciate the depth of his work. Now I wish I could spend more time
in it. Burton performing Hamlet is something I enjoy on DVD.
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:26:17 GMT, d wrote:

On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 03:45:22 -0600
Recliner wrote:
Many of the people who post here have an engineering background, but are
still capable of writing grammatical prose. You don't need have to have
studied English literature in order to be able to use basic English
grammar.

Most people on here can do better than the repost of last resort which is
to point out typos. Thats the refuge for people like you who are desperate to
post something to get noticed but don't actually have anything to say.

Boltar, he is a waste of your time. Killfile the SoB.
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On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 12:33:27 -0800
Aurora wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:56:34 GMT, d wrote:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:20:32 -0600
Recliner wrote:
Perhaps you wouldn't always be so angry and frustrated if you had gained
the ability to communicate effectively using your mother tongue?

Perhaps you wouldn't talk to much drivel if you actually did a real job.
Still, no doubt you have fun leveraging win-win enterprise visions in a
downsized holistic stakeholder scenario while running ideas up the flagpole
eh?
I'm sure you also love to imagine you can "think outside the box", but you
probably wouldn't even be able to open the flap.

Boltar, when I am in London, I want to buy you a beer. You take down
the u.t.l. narcissist so effectively. You are a bona fide hero.

No, I just like arguing especially when you can watch your opponent digging
a nice hole for themselves and then fall in )

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Spud

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 12:48:27 -0800
Aurora wrote:
You would think the poster would be an expert on obnoxious. Like me I
am sure you have black and white lists of clients.

There are certainly a couple of places I'd think twice about working at again.
They're the sort of places that think contractor = permie without paid holidays
and expect you to work whatever hours they request without paying extra.

You go to any small business and ask them to do some extra work for you for
free and you'll be shown the door pdq, yet it seems to be the attitude amongst
some companies that freelancers are fair game. No, we're not. An extra
half an hour here or there occasionally is fine, but if a company expects me
to regularly work and hour or 2 beyond my contracted hours then they can
swivel on it.

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Spud