"John Levine" wrote in message ...

I still don't understand how that tells it which of the two valid
cards to use.

If it got an answer from both (with a suitable separation), it could
decide to use the season ticket rather than the PAYG. Doesn't have to
take just the first one, especially just after it had detected a clash.

I suppose, but that still doesn't help in the many cases where there
is no clear reason to prefer one card over another. It seems a poor
use of funds to redo the gates when it will only help sometimes.

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The gates get reprogrammed software frequently

However ISTM that the time taken to wait for the delay between the cards
re-transmitting is going to be a killer here - especially if you've three
(or four) cards

tim

In message , at 18:24:08 on Wed, 19 Mar
2014, John Levine remarked:
I still don't understand how that tells it which of the two valid
cards to use.

If it got an answer from both (with a suitable separation), it could
decide to use the season ticket rather than the PAYG. Doesn't have to
take just the first one, especially just after it had detected a clash.

I suppose, but that still doesn't help in the many cases where there
is no clear reason to prefer one card over another.

If I have two+ contactless credit cards then I really don't care which
of them TfL use, as long as they only use ones I've signed up to my
"capped account" of course.

It seems a poor use of funds to redo the gates when it will only help
sometimes.

I think they've vastly underestimated the number of people with more
than one 'rfid' card. In the near future there are likely to be lots of
people with at least one ITSO card, as well as one Credit Card, even if
they have decided to give up on Oyster.

Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem.

I've already had to do that (perhaps six years ago). How many different
wallets do they want people to have?

And remember that one of the USPs of Oyster was *not* needing to take it
out of your wallet to use.
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Roland Perry

On 18/03/2014 19:34, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:18:24 on Tue, 18 Mar
2014, Mizter T remarked:
http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/16/thousa...-after-oyster-

readers-charge-wrong-card-in-contactless-glitch-4610552/

"Just under one per cent of all Oyster and contactless journeys
involve
a card clash and we are seeing this number continue to drop each
week."

Sorry, but 1% seems very high.

My experience of card clash is an error 94 & the gates don't open.

I didn't think that gates were enabled for contactless cards yet.

Given there's a not-insignificant trial running, I'd suggest they are.

I'd forgotten about the trial.

But it's very worrying that they are charging the credit cards of people
not signed up to the trial. That seems to me to be completely wrong, on
many levels (for example, it means anyone can join the 'trial' just by
proffering their card).

Neither card was charged, but the gates would not open.

Contactless card, oyster card & fredom pass all clash.

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Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem. ...

I've already had to do that (perhaps six years ago). How many different
wallets do they want people to have?

And remember that one of the USPs of Oyster was *not* needing to take it
out of your wallet to use.

Right, that's why the commuter wallet has that unshielded pocket.

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In message , at 00:00:53 on Thu, 20 Mar
2014, John Levine remarked:
Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem. ...

I've already had to do that (perhaps six years ago). How many different
wallets do they want people to have?

And remember that one of the USPs of Oyster was *not* needing to take it
out of your wallet to use.

Right, that's why the commuter wallet has that unshielded pocket.

That's OK if you only have one rfid card you want to use frequently. The
problem with the proliferation of such cards is that this becomes
increasingly less likely.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 21:17:28 on
Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Tony Dragon remarked:
My experience of card clash is an error 94 & the gates don't open.

I didn't think that gates were enabled for contactless cards yet.

Given there's a not-insignificant trial running, I'd suggest they are.

I'd forgotten about the trial.

But it's very worrying that they are charging the credit cards of people
not signed up to the trial. That seems to me to be completely wrong, on
many levels (for example, it means anyone can join the 'trial' just by
proffering their card).

Neither card was charged, but the gates would not open.

Contactless card, oyster card & fredom pass all clash.

Yes, that's your experience. Others (albeit only reported in the press
so far on buses) is that two cards can be recognised, and both "charged"
(although one might be a season, but that's still an overcharge
scenario).
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Roland Perry

And remember that one of the USPs of Oyster was *not* needing to take it
out of your wallet to use

I don't but I keep mine in a plastic Oyster wallet not with my credit cards. Even without the card clash issue I wouldn't start waving my main wallet around at a station gateline or getting on a bus.

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 06:24:08PM +0000, John Levine wrote:

Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem.

If only there was a free, convenient solution that everyone is familiar
with.

Oh, wait, there is! Ask the nice man at the ticket office for a ticket
holder. Put your Oyster thingy into it. Carry it in a convenient pocket.
Sorted.

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In message , at
04:41:14 on Thu, 20 Mar 2014, remarked:
And remember that one of the USPs of Oyster was *not* needing to take it
out of your wallet to use

I don't but I keep mine in a plastic Oyster wallet not with my credit cards. Even without the card clash issue I wouldn't start waving my main
wallet around at a station gateline or getting on a bus.

I've had a secondary wallet with all the "other" cards in for at least
as long as I've had an Oyster. But that doesn't cure the card-clash
between the "others".

For example, when I lived in Nottingham my main "other" card was a
pre-ITSO contactless bus card; but I still had an Oyster, and more
recently an ITSO card that in theory I could have loaded
Nottingham-London tickets onto (but the EMT trial had so may hiccups,
and still isn't mainstream afaict, that I never did manage to use it in
anger).
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David Cantrell wrote:

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 06:24:08PM +0000, John Levine wrote:

Like I said, people will get wallets that more or less solve the
problem.

If only there was a free, convenient solution that everyone is familiar
with.

Oh, wait, there is! Ask the nice man at the ticket office for a ticket
holder. Put your Oyster thingy into it. Carry it in a convenient pocket.
Sorted.

What it will be OK in a back pocket which you sit on as I do with my
paper season tickets? Otherwise putting two wallets in a front pocket is
not that convenient as you have to get both out to see which one to use.

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Mark