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(Recliner) wrote:

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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

The new Journey Planner interface at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/ is much better in this
regard. You have only to type Kin and you get options that include
King's Cross Rail Station and King's Cross St Pancras.

Yes and no. I had the old planner still bookmarked and it still comes
up with the same nonsense. Trying the new planner, it does as you say
for King's Cross but when I put in "Moorgate", it accepted it and
then asked to choose between 5 alternatives. So it's still rubbish.

I also notice that the old planner won't cover National Rail
outside London like Cambridge, while the old one does.

Er, which does?

Sorry, my typo which I have updated separately. I was wrong anyway.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message of Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:44:42
in uk.transport.london, Roland Perry writes
In message , at 17:13:15
on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked:
I can't reproduce your lot, even with the TfL Journey Planner, Roland. it
offers the 0728 to the Cross, then H&C/Circle/Met or the 0732 to LST and
walk.

NRES, yesterday, and still doing it today.

Oh I see. I gave up on NRES years ago.

I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as
Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the
Sunday service from Ely has let me down).

The boundaries of TfL journey planners are not well defined.
When I flag issues to Customer Services, they take a practical "Who
Cares?" attitude and technical people are protected from this perverse
user. Glasgow Central Rail Station sometimes works. (Enter that datum
and clear "Station or stop in ..." for it to do so, today.

I have just constructed the following URL:
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...language=en&se
ssionID=0&ptOptionsActive=-1&type_destination=stop&name_destination=Camb
ridge Rail Stationl&type_origin=stop&name_origin=Oval

The journey Planner gives 3 alternative names.
Selecting "Cambridge Rail Station" returns plausible data.

Much nearer to home, I can't get Oval - Radlett to work.

http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...language=en&se
ssionID=0&ptOptionsActive=-1&type_destination=stop&name_destination=Moor
gate&type_origin=stop&name_origin=Ely, Ely Rail Station works.
Howwever "Ely, Ely Rail Station" is transformed to "Ely Rail Station" on
editing and that does not work. To make it work by typing in a browser,
1) in From, enter "Ely, Ely Rail Station" and clear London or
2) use "Ely Rail Station" and "Ely (Cambs)". That (Cambs) is needed.

I hope C stock travellers have a companionable day.
I should have offered coffee at my MGT gaff to UTL contributors. ;(
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Walter Briscoe

In message , at 21:35:41 on Fri, 27 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked:

The National Rail Enquiries journey planner mostly works fine for rail
journies through London requiring a tube connection between two national
rail stations. It rarely gives the easiest (or even a sensible) route if you
specify a national rail destination in London for which the best option is a
rail journey to another rail station followed by the tube.

If you ask it for trips from Stansted Airport to Kings Cross it will
default to a train plus change to the tube at Tottenham Hale. Or
Cambridge to Liverpool St where two of the hourly suggestions is to go
via Kings Cross and tube.

And I'm familiar with both of these appearing in results.

On a weekday it happily suggests Cambridge-Moorgate via a change at
Finsbury Park, but the latter NR service doesn't run on Sundays.

I have no idea if this is a fault or by design (assuming that if you
specify a national rail destination you want to arrive at it by
national rail).

The problem with my Sunday journey to Moorgate might be the existence of
"Moorgate Und 0645 ZMG" in addition to "Moorgate 6005 MOG", and
unfortunately the NRES planner doesn't recognise the former as a
destination.

Which I suspect is a fault rather than 'design'. Especially given the
alleged inter-availability of "London Terminals" tickets to Moorgate on
both NR and on the Circle.

I have never expected to use it in the way you describe any more than I
would expect it to tell me the correct use of a bus in some other city
when completing a journey by national rail is possible but not a
sensible option.

Despite your misgivings, it does have numerous tube-only destinations
available. Try Holborn for example:

Train 10:15 Cambridge [CBG] London Kings Cross [KGX] 11:05
Tube 11:20 London Kings Cross [KGX] Holborn London Und 11:24
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 21:35:41 on Fri, 27 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked:

SNIP.

Despite your misgivings, it does have numerous tube-only destinations
available. Try Holborn for example:

Train 10:15 Cambridge [CBG] London Kings Cross [KGX] 11:05
Tube 11:20 London Kings Cross [KGX] Holborn London Und 11:24
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Roland Perry

As already explained the problems mostly arise when you specify a final
destination which has *both* tube and national rail services - as in your
original complaint about the suggested routes to Moorgate. It always pays to
think (and read) before you post ...

In message , at 12:45:03 on Sat, 28 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked:
Despite your misgivings, it does have numerous tube-only destinations
available. Try Holborn for example:

Train 10:15 Cambridge [CBG] London Kings Cross [KGX] 11:05
Tube 11:20 London Kings Cross [KGX] Holborn London Und 11:24

As already explained the problems mostly arise when you specify a final
destination which has *both* tube and national rail services - as in your
original complaint about the suggested routes to Moorgate. It always pays to
think (and read) before you post ...

Take your own advice: remember what I said about Cambridge-Liverpool St
via Kings Cross and Stansted-Kings Cross via Tottenham Hale.

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Roland Perry

Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message of Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:44:42
in uk.transport.london, Roland Perry writes
In message , at 17:13:15
on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked:
I can't reproduce your lot, even with the TfL Journey Planner, Roland. it
offers the 0728 to the Cross, then H&C/Circle/Met or the 0732 to LST and
walk.

NRES, yesterday, and still doing it today.

Oh I see. I gave up on NRES years ago.

I didn't think the TfL journey planner would stretch out as far as
Cambridge (well, Ely really, I'm only starting in Cambridge because the
Sunday service from Ely has let me down).

The boundaries of TfL journey planners are not well defined.
When I flag issues to Customer Services, they take a practical "Who
Cares?" attitude and technical people are protected from this perverse
user. Glasgow Central Rail Station sometimes works. (Enter that datum
and clear "Station or stop in ..." for it to do so, today.

I have just constructed the following URL:
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...language=en&se
ssionID=0&ptOptionsActive=-1&type_destination=stop&name_destination=Camb
ridge Rail Stationl&type_origin=stop&name_origin=Oval

The journey Planner gives 3 alternative names.
Selecting "Cambridge Rail Station" returns plausible data.

Much nearer to home, I can't get Oval - Radlett to work.

http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...language=en&se
ssionID=0&ptOptionsActive=-1&type_destination=stop&name_destination=Moor
gate&type_origin=stop&name_origin=Ely, Ely Rail Station works.
Howwever "Ely, Ely Rail Station" is transformed to "Ely Rail Station" on
editing and that does not work. To make it work by typing in a browser,
1) in From, enter "Ely, Ely Rail Station" and clear London or
2) use "Ely Rail Station" and "Ely (Cambs)". That (Cambs) is needed.

I hope C stock travellers have a companionable day.
I should have offered coffee at my MGT gaff to UTL contributors. ;(

It's German software, isn't it? Presumably it's database driven, and
perhaps not many people in TfL know what's in the database.

I just tried using the new journey planner again for a journey to 1 Birdcage
Walk one morning next week.

It insists I go via St James's Park, one stop further on the District and
Circle lines than Westminster but estimates the walking distance (fast
walking) as 7 minutes from St James's Park and 5 minutes from Westminster!

WTF?

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Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
I just tried using the new journey planner again for a journey to 1 Birdcage
Walk one morning next week.

It insists I go via St James's Park, one stop further on the District and
Circle lines than Westminster but estimates the walking distance (fast
walking) as 7 minutes from St James's Park and 5 minutes from Westminster!

WTF?

It thinks it's a nicer walk?

In article
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(Recliner) wrote:

wrote:
I just tried using the new journey planner again for a journey to 1
Birdcage Walk one morning next week.

It insists I go via St James's Park, one stop further on the
District and Circle lines than Westminster but estimates the
walking distance (fast walking) as 7 minutes from St James's Park
and 5 minutes from Westminster!

WTF?

It thinks it's a nicer walk?

Not much in it. Neither are through the park!

I should have added that if you ask for Westminster station to 1 Birdcage
Walk it actually tells you to take the train to St James's Park (1 minute)
then walk (7 minutes) and also tells me I can "Walk this in 5mins"!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article
,
(Recliner) wrote:

wrote:
I just tried using the new journey planner again for a journey to 1
Birdcage Walk one morning next week.

It insists I go via St James's Park, one stop further on the
District and Circle lines than Westminster but estimates the
walking distance (fast walking) as 7 minutes from St James's Park
and 5 minutes from Westminster!

WTF?

It thinks it's a nicer walk?

Not much in it. Neither are through the park!

I should have added that if you ask for Westminster station to 1 Birdcage
Walk it actually tells you to take the train to St James's Park (1 minute)
then walk (7 minutes) and also tells me I can "Walk this in 5mins"!

It's also step-free from Westminster, but not from St James's Park. Perhaps
the Tube thinks people prefer to travel via its HQ?