In article ,
(Piatkow) wrote:

And still no comment or intent as to what happens to the Night Bus
network and whether extra buses will be added in the suburbs to give
convenient links perhaps offset by reductions on the busier trunk
routes that parallel main tube lines.

I don't know anybody who has a problem over the time of the last
tube. What is a problem is the time of the last connecting bus or
National Rail service.


As long as King's Cross is served a late night service will be good for
visitors to Cambridge. If they catch the last trains to London they find the
tube service has almost stopped.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

There are not suburban taxi ranks throughout the outer suburbs.

As for minicab drivers, those working for firms near suburban stations will do
quite well because undoubtedly people will travel in the early hours to the
station nearest their home and get a minicab for the last leg of the journey.

The drivers who will suffer are those - mostly unlicensed - minicab drivers
who tout for work in Central London and then charge rip-off prices to the
suburbs.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:37:39 +0100
Recliner wrote:
It's only a limited service on a subset of lines for two nights a
week, so the fleet will still be in a depot for at least five nights a
week. Even on those weekend nights, only a reduced fleet will be in
service.

Anyone know the reason why its only deep level tube lines? I'd have thought
the sub surface lines would have been the easiest to run a night service
on wrt to maintenance.

--
Spud

In message , at 19:44:51 on
Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:
Introducing the "Night Tube" does raise the issue of what happens if
there is planned engineering work. Do we get "night tube replacement
bus services"?

Or they could do the work on Sun-Thu nights only.

For serious stuff they could close it all day Sunday (from 4am anyway),
as they do already.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 21:11:22 on
Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:

Introducing the "Night Tube" does raise the issue of what happens if
there is planned engineering work. Do we get "night tube replacement
bus services"?

Or they could do the work on Sun-Thu nights only.

And it would take rather long than if every night was available -

Yes, but we have to assume they've done their sums. In particular why
this new initiative is only possible after a whole year of normal/
current timetabling.

especially Sat to Sun which is the longest break in service because of
the later Sunday start times. The SSR resignalling is already up
against it in terms of time. In order to save face I imagine LU will
want maximum productivity on multiple sites every night of the week
(assuming no clashes).

For serious stuff they could close it all day Sunday (from 4am anyway),
as they do already.

Serious stuff needs 52 hours, sometimes longer. This is why you get
Friday night to Monday morning closures.

These could still take place. I don't think they've announced that
"night tubes" will be any more uninterruptable than the current ones.
--
Roland Perry

On 24/09/2014 12:05, Piatkow wrote:
And still no comment or intent as to what happens to the Night Bus
network and whether extra buses will be added in the suburbs to give
convenient links perhaps offset by reductions on the busier trunk
routes that parallel main tube lines.

I don't know anybody who has a problem over the time of the last tube.

I know plenty. Just past midnight (bearing in mind one needs to actually
be on the platform) is a bit too early for many.

On 24/09/2014 11:46, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:37:18 on
Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:
[...]
So what is it: 2,000 more or 1,000 less?

I rather suspect the 2,000 jobs are jobs in the wider economy not in
TfL / LU. That's how I read it.

Given the number of taxi and bus drivers it'll put out of a job, I'm not
sure where the increase in jobs outside TfL will come from.

The 'night time economy'. Which, in the case of London, is very much a
real thing. Dare I say perhaps one needs to see it to believe it.
Certain places (not just the west end) are busy.

On 24/09/2014 11:48, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:42:15 on
Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:
Whether people want to pay two fares - tube and connecting bus -
compared to a single bus fare on a direct night bus remains to be
seen.

Season ticket (Travelcard) holders, daily Oyster/CPC capping etc.

Yes, but the point still stands. Loads of people heading into town for a
night out still won't hit the cap.


What this will bring into focus is when exactly the end of the capping
day is, 0430 currently, which should cope with most of the "party animals".

On 2014\09\24 18:08, Robin9 wrote:
'Basil Jet[_4_ Wrote:
;144764']On 2014\09\24 11:46, Roland Perry wrote:-

Given the number of taxi and bus drivers it'll put out of a job, I'm
not
sure where the increase in jobs outside TfL will come from.-

Proper taxi drivers will probably do well out of it, since it will keep

suburban ranks busy all night, and reduce long loss-making jobs for
central area drivers to the suburbs... but thousands of minicab drivers

might be out of a "job".

There are not suburban taxi ranks throughout the outer suburbs.

As for minicab drivers, those working for firms near suburban stations
will do
quite well because undoubtedly people will travel in the early hours to
the
station nearest their home and get a minicab for the last leg of the
journey.

The drivers who will suffer are those - mostly unlicensed - minicab
drivers
who tout for work in Central London and then charge rip-off prices to
the
suburbs.

.... who will give up working Central London and work the suburbs
instead, taking work off the drivers who you say will do well?

On 2014\09\24 23:55, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:21:41 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

Serious stuff needs 52 hours, sometimes longer. This is why you get
Friday night to Monday morning closures.

These could still take place. I don't think they've announced that
"night tubes" will be any more uninterruptable than the current ones.

I agree that such an announcement hasn't been made. However there is a
credibility point about not launching a new service and then
immediately cancelling it for umpteen weekends in a row. All that will
do is upset prospective passengers and give the media an easy story to
beat TfL with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly ;-)

Does anyone know why the Bakerloo has been left out?